Or is it just rank change, and same mmr?.. and same bots, same players, so same rank,
Ranks “reset”
MMR same
Bots have never been in ranked (unless you mean people deranking, they are humans being scum).
So yeah. Once the dust settles, it will be the same as it is now. Except you will have more feedback at the end of the match.
Even knowing all the adjustments is just a placebo, as they all happen now. So nothing is actually changing on that front.
But resetting ranks and making you do placements after a big update every year or so is a good idea.
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Most of the people on here dont believe this is a real reset. I cant blame them because of how Blizzard has handled the game so far. But the fact of the matter is yes. This is a significant rework of the entire system.
What they said is going to happen besides all the balance and UI changes. Limited data will be used to estimate a starting point. From what I heard nobody will be starting at a high point, that once the reset hits it will be a bit of a grind to even hit GM for a lot of players.
But once you start placements and go through a few matches the system will start a recalibration of your MMR where it will be able to swing much more widely than normal. Essentially players are being given a chance to rewrite their MMR profile and end up in a better or worse spot after the system recalibrates your account.
this is where the “soft reset” term comes from. Its a reset but not a total data wipe. Itll start you nearish were you left off then recalibrate from there and use the new data from that point forward.
Previously all resets were simply cosmetic to your visible SR. They didnt have any modifying effects on MMR. MMR was MMR. This reset is going much deeper and allowing the reset to effect the hidden MMR profile/rating that does the real work.
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I think if it was a MMR reset they would have mentioned MMR. But all they talk about is rank this rank that. Same old garbage imo but we will see.
Again the problem is players dont understand MMR so they dont bother. People can explain how it works in great detail and players still miss the point. It just confuses most people and thats literally why you dont hear about it. MMR as some know some dont. Is literally a string of data, could be win loss data, statistical data, a combination of data. But its data that the system looks at to make a prediction about. That prediction is represented by the players SR. Its a far more complex system than players think. What theyre doing is excluding most of that old data that strings together to make your MMR. So by playing better or worse than the average of your entire OW history youll see a shift. Unlike prior resets where the MMR profile continued using the same data season after season. This is where the reset is, the new data from s9 on will be the majority of your MMR once it starts and each year it will recalibrate again instead of allowing a changing game to keep using old data. This shouldn’t be that hard for people to understand honestly.
So like again to people being like it wont do anything and all that stuff. Its going to depend on the player. Your current rank/MMR is based on your past games. So after S9, if youre doing better than your past averages, winning more games. Youll probably see an upward swing way faster than you normally would. To put it very simply. With all players reranking. Youll eventually get more balanced matches overall, so the entire system will feel better and be more accurate.
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I am pretty sure we are getting MMR reset, where do you get that there will be only SR reset? Whole season changes look like OW3 at this point, and I see no reason for them to not zero the MMR.
There are a bunch of people thinking this is just another cosmetic change not realizing this is actually a massive game changing patch.
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They did this before though for the first few season and all it did was make the game worse. Surely they’re not just resetting your public facing rank? As all that will do it create a mismatch between your rank and your MMR, and the game will do the whatever it can to get your rank back to match your MMR. Making the entire thing utterly pointless.
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They did a cosmetic change. They never actually messed with MMR.
The very quick version is other resets were just to SR creating an environment where people felt like they were ranking up as they caught up to the SR MMR said they should be. effectively pointless and yes all cosmetic.
This time around. Theyre removing your SR entirely. For the MMR, rather than leaving it at it end point from s8. theyll take where it was, use some of that data to put you somewhere in a few ranges for a starting point low mid high. So your placements wont feel too awful but they will be a bit wider than usual.
Now, if you play better than the average of your previous MMR. win more games do better in general. This will put your MMR in a better place and allow you to rank higher than you would had it been a normal season. Essentially these s9 placements will actually mean a lot as far as your MMR going forward and this is what the system uses to make its prediction on SR and where you end up in rank.
So yes, this is a reset depending on the player. If you play better now compared to your old averages and win your games. You will end up ranking higher. The same goes for ranking lower. if youre average wins drop and you lose more games youll rank lower. The adjustment period will most likely be a good number of games where things can swing drastically while they calibrate.
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Do we have any actual official information though? Because people are saying MMR is reset, is sort of reset, a bit, or isn’t being adjusted at all.
For the past change?
It was just an adjustment to the bell curve distribution of ranks. It wasn’t a reset of MMR, SR or anything else. What then happened is for a small handful of games you might of got a bigger jump up or down as things lined them selves back up.
I guess we can’t really believe what they say either way. Last time they said it was a rank decay, only later did we find out it was purely cosmetic.
I’m sure it’ll be a s***show next week either way. That’s about the only thing you can rely on.
We can. You just have to read what they say and take it for what it is.
Problem is, people see the updates, read them then start theory crafting all sorts of nonsense. This leads to mass misinformation and at the extreme, the conspiracies you see on here.
Well at least this time if someone wants to prove something they have more info. And if you keep labeling things as false positives- you’re masking the real positives.
Can you fathom you made a mistake? Like someone had a ligit issue like bronze 5 bug… and we see reports of 5-0 no rank update, and you saying there’s nothing wrong… people make the algorithms- algorithms can have mistakes or moments of poor judgement… to solely rely on blizzard to tell us something destroys the game maker - game player feed back loop. Without that loop the greatest games in history would not made.
Indeed. But seeing as the actual systems aren’t changing, and all that is happening is you will get to see a visualisation of what it is doing now… The same people will come up wit the same theories. That crowd will never be pleased, no matter what happens and what information they are given.
Everyone knows the B5 bug happened. They also sorted it and applied a short term boost to the impacted accounts.
Think about that, and the adjustments you will see in S9… The same adjustments are happening now… so rather than it being “wrong”, in S9 you will just understand it (or see it and not understand it still). That is all that is changing. Hopefully it will shut some up, but I doubt it.
A “soft” reset for the players eyes only.
Behind the scenes you will still have the same MMR with more uncertainty factored in at the beginning.
As far as the other changes, they are simply indicating if the match was fair or not at the end of the match.
Matchmaking is remaining the same hence we will still get the same horrible one sides matches.
In terms of the system and the term soft reset. This just means its not a complete data wipe. Like its not gonna put someone that was bronze and top 500s in the same starting pool of players which could happen on a total wipe.
There is probably going to be pools of players. Like bronze to gold, gold to diamond. diamond to GM, master to top 500. Itll probably do that widely for 5 or so placement games then start narrowing MMR/SR down to make its prediction.
Thats what they mean by soft reset.
Essentially the core to take away from this is what others have said. This reset essentially resets the systems confidence in all players. So if from S9 forward including placements youre playing better and winning more games than your previous averages youll see a rank boost.
again another way to look at MMR is how confident the system is in its assumption of your rank. If the system is VERY confident youre going to have to play a ton of games to move the needle. This removes that restriction and allows you as a player to recalibrate
Read through Morgan’s post: https://twitter.com/SrslyPaladin/status/1755773549502202041
People see it they just have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the system works so they dont understand overall why this reset will actually make a difference, where as previous ones were all cosmetic.
The issue will arise once it hits and not every player sees improvements in their rank because of that fundamental misunderstanding and they’ll see it as Blizzard did nothing. But those that actually have improved or are poorly ranked will have a chance at jumping rank if they’re playing better and winning more. Rather than the 100s of games it would take without this reset.
This will probably benefit older accounts with ranking up rather than newer ones and set newer accounts lower where they need to be.