Anti 222 forum logic 🤐

[RobotWizard-116887]

Their weren’t trying to force anyone else to pick things they don’t want to play, they aren’t complaining about uneven team comps.

But they ARE complaining about QPC.

Like, play what you.like, but why can’t we get tanks / supports in QPC and everyone treats it as a joke?

Well hell…

[Terranguard-11978]

Blizzard makes a lot of dumb decision. If you weren’t paying attention they nerfed Bastion again for no reason. They added a delay after his healing so that you can no longer use it properly during his ult. They claim the lack of a delay was a “bug” but literally nobody knew it was a bug and literally nobody complained about it. See? Stupid change. There was no good reason for it and he’s still under-performing in multiple metas that are supposed to favor him. They have made massive bugs into features before already/are doing nothing about them but no they just had to “fix” this one.

Also some balance decisions have been very questionable. A lot of them actually.

what do you mean, pros all over was talking about the bug.

Bastion’s? Where he could shoot after healing without a weird delay? Because literally nobody knew about it until they decided it was a bug very recently. The only good bug fix they did for him was when his tankgun would just get stuck and wouldn’t shoot for the first second of the transformation but that took them 2 years from launch.

[Ripper-1892]

Blizzard makes a lot of dumb decision. If you weren’t paying attention they nerfed Bastion again for no reason. They added a delay after his healing so that you can no longer use it properly during his ult. They claim the lack of a delay was a “bug” but literally nobody knew it was a bug and literally nobody complained about it. See? Stupid change. There was no good reason for it and he’s still under-performing in multiple metas that are supposed to favor him. They have made massive bugs into features before already/are doing nothing about them but no they just had to “fix” this one.

Also some balance decisions have been very questionable. A lot of them actually.

what do you mean, pros all over was talking about the bug.

Bastion’s? Where he could shoot after healing without a weird delay? Because literally nobody knew about it until they decided it was a bug very recently. The only good bug fix they did for him was when his tankgun would just get stuck and wouldn’t shoot for the first second of the transformation but that took them 2 years from launch.

yea Bastion was pick up when sig came out and the bug was being talked about. i wish i could remember what vid it was when i see it at first. im sorry i cant. and its not a bug until the devs say so. you are right about that.

[JonStriker-11942]

Using LFG before 2-2-2 make much more sense.

Yeah, the only real point of it now is if you want to make a group for Arcade

All im saying if you choose dps expect the long qs if you dont like long qs go tank/support… thats as simple as its gonna get.

So, ignore one third of the roles and over half the roster, in order to actually play the game. Sounds suuuper fun.

If you are too stubbur to play anything else go play in arcade or another game. Its that simple.

First, it’s not about being stubborn. People just want to enjoy a video game. At its core, it’s a form of entertainment. They don’t want to ignore a third of the roles and half the roster for a game they paid money for.

Second of all, you’re right, if they’re unhappy, they will leave. And, that has it’s own host of problems. Player retention is crucial in a PVP base game. Obviously.

The queues wouldn’t be here in the first place if you just used LFG to find your 2/2/2. If you wanted it you could have done it instead of solo queue. See the hypocrisy? We had a system before that would only benefit you without hurting anyone else, but now we have a system that hurts the majority of the players all of the time.

Exactly.

LFG failed thats why they had to implement force 222 lol.

It only “failed” because the player base and developers abandoned it. Had they actually worked to improve it, it might have succeeded.

Instead, they threw the baby out with the bathwater, and here we are.

It could take years for all I know but sure little by litte theyll start picking tanks/support to avoid the q time

Oh, they already are. I can’t tell you how many games I’ve had, since 222, where we have no healer, because our Ana or whoever is busy shooting the enemy. And, im locked into Tank, so even if I wanted to help heal, I can’t.

Yeah, 222 is fantastic

[tiffac-11658]

Figures. I haven’t tried with my friends, so I’m ignorant. lol

[Ribbon-11404]

So, ignore one third of the roles and over half the roster, in order to actually play the game. Sounds suuuper fun.

Just want to chime in here, but thats literally how the game had to be played by anyone who didn’t want an auto-loss due to no Healers or Tanks. Prior to role que, you literally had to ignore one third of the roster, cause there were so many people playing DPS that you were already guaranteed to have at least 3 people in the DPS slot when you joined a game.

First, it’s not about being stubborn. People just want to enjoy a video game. At its core, it’s a form of entertainment. They don’t want to ignore a third of the roles and half the roster for a game they paid money for.

It is being stubborn however when you’re given options and you’re choosing to ignore them.

Oh, they already are. I can’t tell you how many games I’ve had, since 222, where we have no healer, because our Ana or whoever is busy shooting the enemy. And, im locked into Tank, so even if I wanted to help heal, I can’t.

The alternative is basically you’d have at least a third DPS, and you’d be down at least one tank or healer regardless. Its not perfect, but at least you technically still have a healer, rather than not one at all.

Frankly all they need to do is make it throwing when you’re purposefully playing any non DPS role as only a DPS or make their rank plummet and you’ll eventually not have to deal with those types. Which honestly I think will happen eventually anyways.

[Lunchbox486-1450]

i think he assumes “anti 222 person” is a dps main, trying to wedge the forum’s majority group think of “dps main bad, 222 is good” into your position, to cultivate fake opinions just so your faulty (very) claims is deemed the truth…(to make you feel better)

[Kimchi-1644]

Healers and Tanks need to be more attractive to play, or the game should be balanced for more DPS slots

It’s abundantly clear by now the player demographic is not split into equal sized groups. Forcing people to fill into roles they prefer not to play is a hacked up lazy solution

[PezLex-1235]

Forcing people to fill into roles they prefer not to play is a hacked up lazy solution

Or even better, all of the threads popping up advocating reporting DPS players that aren’t playing tanks or supports like tank and support mains lol

[Isaribi-21967]

Of course, this is after 3 years of having DPS laugh at us and ignore us after we have begged them not to run 5 dps in comp. No sympathies from me.

Jesus christ, y’all act like you’ve been put on blast by DPS mains that laugh like maniacs as if they just took your children and all your things like some kind of evil cult. Maybe keep your ridiculously exaggerated stories out of it.

[JonStriker-11942]

It is being stubborn however when you’re given options and you’re choosing to ignore them.

Options? What options?

“I want to play DPS.”

Well, you can:

-Wait 30 mins for one game
-Not pick DPS (what you want to play), to get into a match, in a reasonable amount of time
-Leave the game and go play something else

Whoo. Great “options” there.

Also, remember, these are the “options” for anyone who wants to play Damage, not just DPS Mains/OTP. Even if you only want to play DPS every 1 in 20 matches, these are the “options” you get, and they are crap. There is no nice way to put it.

Its not perfect, but at least you technically still have a healer, rather than not one at all.

If both are DPS-ing, you essentially have no healer. Your only option, at that point, is to try and self sustain. Thing is, there is only 1 Tank and only a couple of DPS that can actually heal themselves. And even if you factor in temporary Shields (like DF and Sigma), there are very few self-sustaining options, as tank or DPS. So, if your supports aren’t doing their proper job, you are screwed, in role lock.

[Sereaphim-2314]

Options? What options?

Play a other game mode ?
Nobody will force you to play 2-2-2.
You still can go to arcade and play QPC or any other game mode to quickly play dps.

[Warchild-1483]

Of course, this is after 3 years of having DPS laugh at us and ignore us after we have begged them not to run 5 dps in comp. No sympathies from me.

Jesus christ, y’all act like you’ve been put on blast by DPS mains that laugh like maniacs as if they just took your children and all your things like some kind of evil cult. Maybe keep your ridiculously exaggerated stories out of it.

maybe support and tank players are just tired of hearing… “it’s quickplay bro”… like that means it’s ok to play 5 dps and throw that game away.

Because who wanted to win this match anyhow. Not my team… 4 and 5 dps comp winrates I would wager is sub 40%

[CalciumChief-2675]

You meme, but why should I have to group with someone just to get a faster queue? And I’m tank/healer in 95% of my games. Why are you forcing that everywhere when it’s what OWL/comp players wanted?

And hey, you know what DPS mains do? They log in on their smurf accounts, pick tank/healer and spend the whole game DPSing. I have real fun why my Ana is spawncamping the enemy team only to feed.

[CalciumChief-2675]

Oh right, QPC, a mode where eveyone insta-locks DPS and doesn’t even pretend they’re on a team because “Go play QP for normal team, you tryhard” logic. And again, QPC is buried under Aracade instead of being a sub mode for QP.

Also, what other game mode? You mean all those Deathmatches in the Arcade that are on random rotations and show up who knows when? You obviously can’t mean comp. So go to Custom and hope someone joins your game?

[Vitalez-2416]

(Before role que) “If you want balanced games (222) then use LFG” (10min to find team, 5min to find game, every1 leaves after every loss)

(After role que) “DPS shouldn’t have to wait to play the game”

Some1: “You can group up with a tank or healer to get faster ques”

Anti 222 person: “I shouldn’t have to do that”

Lmao, that’s nice! You do know, that in any other competitive game people will find a team to get better experience? For example, if you don’t like leavers in Rainbow Six you find a team for yourself that you can play with (and can you imagine that, they don’t even have LFG tool there).
And they don’t say something like “Devs should disable ‘quit match’ button and should ban everyone who quits the game with other methods” so other players would need to suffer of being unable to quit the game when they need… They’re mature people, who’s not shifting THEIR problem onto someone else.

So whenever you got 5 DPS and disliked it, it is YOUR concern to solve your problem. It is not MY concern, that YOU didn’t like 5 DPS matches. Not only you have forum / discord servers, but devs also gave you LFG tool, so you can make your experience better.
But, you’re not selfish of course, you prefer that other persons should suffer, not you. Well, you did a good job there, Bliz heard you and they’ve forced a big chunk of their playerbase to almost quit the game.

[Cleopatra-21937]

If both are DPS-ing, you essentially have no healer. Your only option, at that point, is to try and self sustain. Thing is, there is only 1 Tank and only a couple of DPS that can actually heal themselves. And even if you factor in temporary Shields (like DF and Sigma), there are very few self-sustaining options, as tank or DPS. So, if your supports aren’t doing their proper job, you are screwed, in role lock.

Same goes for other 2 roles.

How about we, for once, stop pretending, that players:

• always want to win;
• always play to the best of their ability;
• always can play all heroes in specific role;

Healers and Tanks need to be more attractive to play, or the game should be balanced for more DPS slots

It’s abundantly clear by now the player demographic is not split into equal sized groups. Forcing people to fill into roles they prefer not to play is a hacked up lazy solution

They can’t be more attractive, because fun for tanks/supports is 180 from DPS fun. For DPS fun is when everyone dies, for tank/support - when their team doesn’t die and keeps going.

[JonStriker-11942]

Same goes for other 2 roles.

That is my entire point. At least, in the old system, you had some chance to fix it. Now, we are all locked within our roles and cant do anything, except watch the Titanic hit the iceberg, and sink to the bottom of the ocean.

[tuscoggy-2305]

I’ve seen NONE from Masters players.
I’m not trying to dismiss you, but from MY experience, and from the experiences of my friends and teammates, I find that initial statement from you including Masters is just plain wrong.

You’re dismissing his experiences because your friends and yourself have not met the same issues. it is indeed, masters and up who face higher queue times. (for me it roams around 20-30min) even on my diamond account it’s around 15-20.

[Isaribi-21967]

When will you realize that this is such stupid logic. You can’t possibly keep people from playing the things they enjoy, they bought the game, they have a right to play it to have fun. Just because someone locks DPS does not mean they immediately are throwing, how do you even get to that conclusion??? How did that ever happen to become a thing.
Sure, QP was a joke but the way y’all are talking makes it seem like there’s a minimun of five DPS literally every game which is not true. If you wanted a more serious experience you could’ve used a tool that has been in the game for a while, called LFG. I used it plenty of times and there were enough groups that were looking for a serious team comp. But no. Instead y’all had to cry like little babies that got the wrong toy and they don’t want to use it anymore so they need something new. And now the game is a clusterf*ck and worse than ever.

PS: And I am a tank and support main myself. But unfortunately it seems like the ones with common sense are rare these days.