Another pro coming patch will feel bad for casuals

You were the one asking to do that.

You want equal skill to give equal outcomes? Well, Grandpa is higher skilled than you, and is having to work harder than you for the same results, because he is using a worse hero.

Now, they are tuning the cars so it is a more fair match. Lower performance cars are getting better, and higher performance cars are having limiters put on them, SO skill is what determines the outcome.

But that is what you asked for.

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effort to skill ratio, the effort to drive a sedan is lower than f1 so it goes slower.

Now what happens in the race track is player skill if you manage to make your sedan win good for you.

Tracer takes high aim skill you get more dmg, moira takes less skill to aim she gets lower dmg.

Its that simple.

atleast now you can see the difference between car and driver.

If they are beating you in the sedan on the track when you are driving your F1 at high end events, they are more skilled than you.

You will be able to tell the differences between drivers soon.

I mean, you put the heroes on the same power curve, and then your skill is more fairly tested.

Taking your f1, and then saying “I only won because I was more skilled” against the people in the sedan is just sad.

So they are about to take the f1 away, and give you a sedan as well, and say “ok, hotshot, lets see how well you do when the cars are even”

If you can’t hack it then, it was never that you were higher skilled.

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It means im not driving at high speed, how can you beat me if im driving faster than you?

only if im not driving as fast as you.

That’s player skill component.

Not the hero skill component.

What this means is i gave you 4 secs to suck me as moira with 50 dps while i can do 240 dps without hs. Its a player skill issue it means i wasnt driving the f1 properly.

This doesnt mean sedan takes as much effort as f1.

Again you are in a tribalistic mode, its not about winning or losing its whether this car is designed properly for the effort it takes to drive and goes at speeds for the effort it takes to drive.

By driving better than you. Taking better lines, picking the right times to pass, making sure you use every advantage the car you have can be used.

And you have to, because you are against a straight up faster car.

Right, in low ranks, the sedan is easier.

In high ranks, the sedan is harder to get the same performance as your F1. They have to be a better driver than you to manage to do so.

If you are complaining that the F1 is hard to drive in silver. Well, you are about to get some help there, 25 more HP worth.

Pointing out that people beating you in high end competitions with a slower car means they are better at driving than you are, isn’t being tribalistic.

I get it, having a better car, and then still being beaten by someone in a worse one not even designed for the conditions on the day is embarrassing. But don’t tell me they were less skilled for having the worse car for the conditions.

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All that doesnt matter in the effort to skill ratio we talk.

You are trying to equate driver difference to car difference.

And you shouldnt cause this will make car go even more brr for no effort.

So what are they actually doing are they reduing top speed, that means its a bad skill to effort move.

At driving what sedan ?

Sure bud.

But can you drive a f1 like that is the question if you can drive that why do you want your sedan to reach the same effort as f1.

See

See right your effort wasnt in making sedan go faster, but you drove smarter to gain advantage that’s like using gamesense positionign etc

So why do you want it to perform better than f1 when the effort to drive it is less.

They are making the cars more even, so your skill is actually being tested, rather than the car you picked.

You won’t be able to rely on having the higher performance car to win, you will have to actually out skill the enemies, which isn’t the case right now.

I don’t.

Because the sedan can’t go faster. You have to literally outdrive the people who have the faster cars.

But YOU want the skill / value ratio to be equal. Blizzard is about to serve that up.

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Again you are being tribalistic and want to make it personal when its not its simple facts do you have to aim no you get less dmg
do you have to aim yes you get more dmg simple as that.

Sound like a downgrade if everything becomes a sedan.

reducing top speed for easier handling is downgrade for good drivers.

only incapable driver sacrifice top speed for easy handling grandpa

Only incompetent drivers don’t understand that if grandpa is beating you on the track, it is because grandpa is better than you are.

He has higher skill than you.

But YOU want the skill / value ratio to be equal. Blizzard is about to serve that up.

YOU are the people asking for the change they are giving you. Because you insisted that want the skill / value ratio to be equal.

The goblin king heard your request, and is about to give it to you, both barrels.

The part you missed, is that I was ok with different heroes being strong at different ranks. (If you want to look at RMS skill balancing talks I gave ages ago, you will see that)

But you want to say the people taking Tracer are higher skilled than the people taking Moira, who land at the same MMR.

Blizzard is like, well, it is the reverse of that now, but we can absolutely fix the skill / value issue you seem to have.

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again grandpa is tribalistic and being noisy nuisance and talking incogrigible.

grandpa just wants to sit back and shout i told you so and not be useful.

Im saying tracer shouldnt get extra hp nor nerfs to her dmg.

means leave my f1 alone.

But grandpa hears it as come rob my f1.

The issue is not me its those that want their sedan to get same value as f1.

Grandpa doesn’t give a rats.

It is the Tracer players saying they want skill to be what is represented at the higher ranks.

And you are about to get a good ol look at what that looks like.

The cars will be more even, and things are about to get a lot harder for you.

If you were ACTUALLY high skilled, you would still win.

But the match is about to be a LOT closer.

BECAUSE you wanted value / effort to be more matched. They are serving that up for you, nice and hot.

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Man saw the 15 meter dm revert and freaked out lol

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Dude first stop being personal. I know old people want to tout i told you so, but you need to stop doing that its getting boring gramps.

The question is simple do you think moira should have more dmg for her right click if so how much more do you think she should get 240 dmg for her current right click ?

its as simple as that for skill to effort ratio.

No I don’t.

I am fine with her having a different skill ceiling, and not being competitive in high ranked play, because I am find with different heroes having different parts of the game where they shine.

But if you ask for effort / value to be matched. These changes are what you get. They will be matched.

The fact that Moira players needed to be higher skill than the Tracer players in VERY high ranks I was ok with.

The effort to value is already matched, tracer aims she gets more dmg , moira aim is easier she gets less dmg.

now why do you want to go change this.

Also lets be real here whatever changes is happening is not due to skill to effort balance, its due to idiots whining about one shots burst dmg and high sustain and tank players evaporating.

Stop blaming me for everything gramps get real.

No it wasn’t. Tracer was harder than Moira in low ranks, and easier than Moira in high ranks.

But if you want to say they are matched, well, you are about to see what that looks like.

I wasn’t the one asking for the change. I DIDN’T care that they were not matched. I cared that people were being delusional that Tracer players were higher skilled than Moira players in the very top end, when Moira just doesn’t have the kit for playing up there, and Tracer did.

Well, Blizzard has heard the unending noise of people WANTING skill to actually match effort.

Now you will get that.

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see again stop tribalism forget ranks, forget you me win, win lose, we are all one under the iris. if its hard to drive it goes fast, if it handles easy it goes slower.

keep it simple gramps.

You can’t move this away from ranks.

Moira was easier in lower ranks than Tracer, and harder than Tracer in higher ranks.

Now they will be more even with their effort / value curve across the ranks.

Because that is what you have asked for.

You want effort / value to match. Now they will. Tracer is being made easier in ranks where she was harder, and harder in ranks where she was easier.

They are going to match the skill / value curves, and that means they will have roughly the same place where the skill requirement to get more value goes up really quickly (the skill cap).

Console players aren’t bots. turrets are a non issue in basically every rank on console.

How do you jump from people to me.

Keyword players no they were not aim wise maybe but if your gm1 you are gm1. Do you see people arguing about winston no right.

So that’s not a issue.

Is tracer high skill aimwise and does more dmg for it yes you cant deny that’s valued properly.

Its simple you are caught up in all the drama.