Why do i even bother playing tank anymore, every game is just hog banning his counters and winning by default.
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You know Ana/Anti is the issue, right?
Also, Hog isnât even good.
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Understatement of the day.
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Enough said, nerf Symm.
He is kinda busted in 6v6. And his 1 shot is pretty annoying to face cause you cant do anything about it.
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6v6 balance is wholly unserious and has been neglected for quite literal years.
He doesnât have one, he has a combo that requires 7 separate steps to complete successfully to earn a kill.
If you truly feel you (or your team) canât do anything about it, then maybe you canât. Plenty of ways to disrupt it or get out of it, though (including Sleep).
not correct, most heroes canât do anything yes.
zarya, d.va, lw, kiriko
(any stun)
just some ideas, yes mauga canât do crap.
but many want genji to counter moiraâŚ
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Mauga can either Charge early to completely negate/block Hook, or Charge (unstoppably) back to his team after he gets hooked.
He does at a certain SR/MMR.
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Can you be specific about where you are seeing this?
In 5v5 hog is trash. He canât ban all his counters as there are too many. For hard counters he has at least 4 (Ana, Zen, orisa and mauga) but he also has many good counters if some of those are banned.
In 6v6 he needs his health nerfed by 50 to see how that goes, otherwise his breather nerfed by 50. He is a little to survivable in 6v6.
Not sure how anyone can complain about hog right now though with DMon running rampant in both 5v5 and 6v6 with 58%+ win-rate at several ranks.
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counter for most players is blindly without thinking getting the desired result.
Having to play smart isnât a counter.
me turning of my brain as phara against brig moira sym junk is what the forums call. a counter.
a way you really shouldnât be losing no mattwr how garbage someone plays. 
that was my view and why I didnât count mauga. not braindead to pull off.
holding rmb as dva? not much braincells needed
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when the season started, i thought.. thereâs no way they havenât nerfed hog in someway. but no, NOTHING.
then mid season, i thought âthere is no way they are THIS OUT OF TOUCH, THEY MUST HAVE NERFED HIMâ
and again, NO.
Further cementing the idea that they have no idea what they are doing.
not even a 6v6 nerf. Insane.
See, this last sentence implies you think he should be nerfed in 5v5 as well. He is a bottom-3 or 4 tank by win-rate. You clearly show that you are the one that has no idea about balance.
Sure, in 6v6, he should get a survivability nerf. But in 5v5 he should be getting a buff as heâs been bottom-4 for the last 3 seasons at least. Since his 1 season when he was buffed, then nerfed back to where he was before, and the many seasons before that he was bottom-2.
On what are you basing your case that he should be nerfed in 5v5 other than that you donât like him? Show me the stats that back you up, because I can show you the stats that show you are wrong.
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Well a good hog in diamond or above knows the combo and as soon as i get hooked there as for example an Anran or Genji i know iâm dead in 90% of cases. Sometimes some hog players are too slow using the combo then i can quickly press some defensive cooldown and escape but rarely the case.
I donât play 5v5. I just hear people complain about him.
So you agree.
I do like him. What?
Cmon now, its not ONLY about stats. Only takes 1 look at sombra stats to see thatâs not what people complain about.
Sombra isnât close to the bottom of comp win-rates - she about 7th from bottom. Hog hangs around the bottom-3 tanks mostly.
Why call for nerfs for a hero that is already one of the worst in the game in his role? Even if people donât like him, he is already nerfed to the point of being pretty useless in 5v5 with more strong counters than probably any other tank. Where would you nerf him to from here?
letâs change his subrole. Heâd be better in the Stalwart subrole.
he doesnât need less critical damage and a speed boost while also having an ability that gives him less damage - this is why his survivability is insane.
Lower his HP in 6v6.
Done. At least before any major reworks.
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The issue isnt the game at all, the issue is players refusing to learn and grow as players.
Statements like this really highlight this, as players are relying on âone size fits allâ approaches to every problem, completely disregarding the skill factor, as well as ignoring other potential solutions to it..
Note how the only Solution to hog is always ana/anti.. like theres not countless other potential solutions..
Pretending like hack or stuns dont have more or less the same end result.
It really shows how players rely on crutches and gimmicks over knowledge and ablity
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If youâre on supp and they ban ana youre just forced to watch as your team gets dumped on with no recourse. and stuns dont matter when hog has a 50% dmg reduction and a self heal on a practically limitless resource
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Hog is mid in 5v5. He is quite oppressive in 6v6, though.
Regardless, Iâd say he should be nerfed in both formats, for the better health of the game.
Unless your own team is banning Ana/Mauga/Orisa, they can only hit two of them⌠And even if your team bans Ana for you, assuming you play Mauga; Hog has plenty of soft counters that make it nearly impossible to play him reliably. Hence his low winrate.
