What % of the time are D.Va’s trying to eat damage that is not right in front of them anyways? This is such a minor nerf. And the main fix that will make a difference is being able to see matrix, which should have always been the case.
She has burst combos that can kill any squishy in the game in less than a second (assuming you can actually aim), she has literally the 3rd best mobility in the whole game (only losing to genji and tracer, the 2 dps heroes literally made to move faster than everyone else), large health pool which includes armor, a second chance at life if she escapes out of suit, dm has an instant activation, allowing you to stop almost all ults in the game on reaction. The ONLY thing dva matix loses to is beams and physical hits, which she can easily out maneuver. There’s a reason dva has been in the meta for literally 2.5 years dude. “Off-tank” mains are literally all dva one-tricks nowadays because they would never have a reason to play any other hero.
but thats exactly why people have been calling for zen nerfs recently, he literally fits in every comp in the game, same as dva. Meta shouldn’t be the reason you call for nerfs but dva has literally been a must pick in pro level play for like 2+ years. she only just recently is OCCASIONALLY getting replaced by sombra in certain goats variations, but that just has to do with the nature of goats mirrors. Not to mention almost any pro coach analyst or player would tell you that sombra goats is objectively weaker than dva goats and is essentially just a gimmick
Idk, I get where you’re coming from, this nerf will definitely impact her playstyle more than what you’re suggesting. However, if I was a D.Va main I would welcome this change so much more than what you’ve suggested. As her teammate, I still think I’d prefer this change. Mostly because changing the duration would drastically affect survivability, her ability to tank, and make for shorter windows to kill the DM’d target.
As it stands, this change doesn’t affect her tanking ability too much or survivability assuming perfect play, just her playstyle/positioning/fragging ability (excluding niche scenarios like being stuck in a grav and hanzo ult being fired from >10m and <15m). So, I doubt it’ll be as huge of a nerf as the Doomfist or Roadhog ones in the past that absolutely killed the heroes.
Speaking on the playstyle change, idk if boosting at the pharah will be a good play in the scenario you’re talking about if D.Va is by her team and can dm other dmg at the same time as eating barrage. She’ll have to actively decide whether she goes for the frag, or protects the team, now; not be able to do both in this scenario.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely going to effectively change her ability to tank (i.e. if you boosting at the pharah would cause her premature death). It’s just that imo, this change affects her ability to frag and her playstyle more than anything else. I think she’s going to have to play a whole lot less aggressively/more with her team now. Which may mean that she’s now going to be outshined in the off-tank slot, but that’s a big tbd.
Though, like someone else has said, this nerf definitely opens up the possibility for a variety of compensation buffs if the nerf is too drastic. Buffing dmg falloff distance or flight duration/cd comes to mind, maybe revert the dm cd, but who knows.
I really have no inkling of a clue as to the overall impact of this. I think her playstyle is 100% going to change because of this, though. If there’s compensation buffs, they may make her more fun to play, play with, and against. I just think this is one of those wait and see how things pan out kind of situations.
If there is an ulting pharah, one of the best plays you can do is matrix and boost towards her to make her hurt herself instead of your team.
Her ability to tank and be a tank has always been because of her matrix. Without her matrix, she’s just a bit target - which is why as a dva you don’t go near a fully charged Zarya because she can just melt your meka.
If they’re goingn to go down the route of her not relying on the matrix anymore, I feel they should at least give her some armour then so she herself can actually be able to take hits. Zarya with her self bubble, Roadhog with his self heal and Hammond with his own ability to give himself shields makes them all more likely to survive as dva.
I wish they never gave D.va that buff to 600 health. That was the beginning of the end as it gave them an excuse to keeping nerfing her ever since,
The people who complain about D.Va being weak are the people who dont know how to play D.Va.
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Nothing makes me more happier than seeing dva nerfs
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People still talking about her crit box like it can’t only be hit from one side.
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Several times every game.
Zens charging sound from the left? → DM
Angry Japanese Bowman screaming from behind? → DM
Teammate calling out a Pharah trying to sneak above your team to ult? → DM
Hearing a Tracer zapping into your backline? → DM
All those scenarios will be much harder to pull off now, because most of the time you are not standing in a line between the attacker and his target.
Well, unfortunately it is on the front of the MEKA and not on it’s back.
So unless you are retreating or walking backwards the entire game that critbox will be pointing straight into the direction of the enemy team.
Silver DVA main calling all the OWL zarya players “stupid”
never change forum… never change.
What in the world are you talking about? Yes in that case you turn around then you DM. So once again the range of the DM isn’t going to matter. You still can’t DM things behind you right now.
Dont throw my ult into something i have no idea is on CD or not. Even if i catch it on CD, at most i get two sweet seconds of damage off if im Pharah/Reaper/Hog/Soldier. Sure that means Hanzo’s dragons go off and hogh noon has a better chance of working but its too effective to have such a deep range.
Is he actually silver? Bruh I’m dead lmaooo. No wonder he’s complaining, he has no idea how to use it in its unnerfed form imagine with these nerfs that just make it harder to use lul.
Actually yeah she is. Zarya is only good rn because of Goats and since ladder is moving into a bunker-esque meta she will be even stronger because of DM. She has been the best Off Tank since S5 no doubt.
Remove missiles and either: increase duration to 3 secs, change the 2 sec cd back, change the animation back or change the range back. They can only choose one because all of these into one will make it sooo strong (although u could probably get away with reverting the animation back along with another change). I agree that missiles were pretty dumb.
wrong a single source of dmg say a Dva bomb vs a 1hp rien shield OK, but if FOR EXAMPLE 6 enemy bastion are shooting a rien shield, it will not last 2 second but no matter how much damage spans those 2 seconds the DM will not break. so you are wrong there
Right now if Hanzo is 15 m behind you, you can eat the arrow by turning arround and holding RM.
With the nerf the arrow will turn into non-edible dragons before it touches the defense matrix.
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I woke up this morning and read the PTR patch notes, and my mind is blown and plagued by the consideration of nerfing D. Va yet again. As someone who has played D. Va across multiple platforms, since beta, I must emphasise this point, I must, I do not agree with this nerf. Take for instance this: Defense Matrix has always had a range of 15 m. Why is it that she is receiving a range reduction after 3 years? Is it to dissuade/discourage pros from playing GOATS? In my opinion, D. Va only does three things in GOATS: Damage mitigation, including blocking Graviton Surges, which is rare even in pro play, zoning with Self-Destruct and to possibly secure eliminations, and controlling the high ground.
Additionally, of course, there are other instances when D. Va is useful for detecting Sombra and contesting objectives, but these are merely minor aspects of play. She is also useful for pressuring barriers because of her infinite ammo.
I digress.
Remember the last balance update that featured a considerable debuff on Zarya’s area of effect damage of her right click, and Lucio’s crossfade debuff, along with Zenyatta’s discord reduction (30% ----> 25%)? That wasn’t enough to kill GOATS. And now I get the feeling they are purposely nerfing D. Va in an effort to discourage pros and Grandmasters from utilising the power of GOATS. I’m going to be frank: I do not believe this is enough to put GOATS to the grave. If anything, it will encourage GOATS more. Why? In a three-three composition, everyone plays in unison, and all are on the same wavelength in the heat of battle. This gives D. Va players incentive(s) to stick with their supports for peeling, rather than being positioned far back (behind the team!) and using Defence Matrix to mitigate incoming projectile damage. This debuff encourages better positioning of D. Va. And if one player is out of position in a three-three composition, the entire team crumbles unless you are the Vancouver Titans.
I digress again.
(In my opinion, the true demon as to why GOATS works so well is because of Brigitte. You remove her from the equation, and a team will crumble faster than capturing a point).
Furthermore, I must say this: for those who believe this nerf is justified because she can deny many game-changing ultimates in an instant…how many of you can safely say you see this happening in every ladder game you play? As someone who has played a few Grandmaster games in the time I switched to PC, it does not happen often, even in the pro scenes. You must possess incredible game-sense and positioning to maximize her utility to deny enemy ultimates (think of blocking a Pulse Bomb or a Blizzard or Graviton Surge). Granted, it does seem a little odd that, for instance, a Hanzo ultimate can be eaten through a wall (this is just the mechanics of Defence Matrix). Lastly, there is only so much damage D. Va can block at a time. She can not fully negate a Barrage or Death Blossom or Whole Hog or even Tactical Visor. You have a two-second window, and then you must find a way to survive without being de-suited.
Lastly, I will leave you, my dear unknown readers, with this last notion: If you are truly as good at Overwatch as you believe you are, you would know where the enemy D. Va is at all time and whether or not she has Defence Matrix available or not.
P.S D. Va is not much of a tank nowadays and nerfing the one thing that lets her tank is not justification. She has an incredible hitbox and can be de-suited in a fraction of a second, especially with discord.
Just my thoughts on this matter (I had to bleed these words or else I would go insane).
- Maximus.
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I’m not silver he’s just lying
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