Ana should be able to sleep BOB

General Discussion
43

Pretty sure that’s just bugged from the patch and has already been confirmed to being removed.

Anyway the Overwatch team change their opinion and stance on something depending on how it is in game once they’ve seen how it plays out over a period of time.

We’ve heard blizz say ‘they intended mercy to be the best support for raw healing at 60hps’ and now that’s not really true anymore with her at 50hps and Moira/bap/Ana competing with her.

Same with blizz saying they wanted their game based on hero swapping to whatever was needed but the community didn’t budge and we got 2-2-2 role queue.

They said they wanted to stay away from radical changes and let everyone be viable but due to stubborn metas we have hero bans.

Things change.

1 Like
44

Fair enough. I don’t disagree with your points. :slight_smile:

45

And that is EXACTLY why they’re testing that change. So that the ultimate has to be dealt with, and not just sidestepped easily.

46

Don’t get me wrong, I do think it’s silly lol

I just understand (or can reason with) why they would put this change through as someone who plays both Ashe and Ana. I never bother sleeping bob as Ana because my team just kills him. And as Ashe I can get kills without him so he’s usually more like my stall-the-point or clean-up-who’s-still-alive ult.

Maybe make it so she can sleep Bob but with reduced duration? Idk

I’m just glad they’re actually using the experimental card. I think these balance discussions are good for the forums

1 Like
47

Sounds good to me, man.

48

I agree with you. Alternatively I’d have incapacitating effects (like Sleep Dart or Hack) last only a few seconds on him instead of full duration.

49

Why only sleep and nothing else?

Why not making him immune to stuns if they want to do this… :slight_smile:

1 Like
50

Ana main here:
Bob immune to sleep is a good change and heres why:
You can’t miss Bob, even a bronze player is capable of hitting a stationary bob.

Bob is an ultimate and has the impact of a potato as long as easy shut downs are available. Ult should be Impactful, with this change Bob should be on par with coalescence

2 Likes
51

i do this in silver as well, i always shout out in comms ’ im goign to sleep the bob dont wake him up".

52

Great point! They should make Bob just shoot right through Mei’s ice wall. I mean, obviously having a cooldown ability negate an ult is OP!

53

Meis wall hasn’t historically been used to stop Bob unlike sleep.

Context of how things are used in game is important.

54

yes as it should be balanced, thank you for agreeing.

55

list of couterplay:

mei freeze/blizzard
mei wall
ANY barrier
dm/kinetic grasp
hack
emp
mccree stun
rein charge

AND

targetting him…

i will say that maybe they couldve considered giving him sleep resistence instead? like he sleeps…just for less…but to say you cant do anything about him anymore is far from reality

56

because other things that can stop him are very inconsistent, hack for example can be pretty hard to land if he’s already shooting cause he will be shooting at you unless ur behind a shield, not to mention the whole enemy team can interrupt it. Mei’s freeze only lasts so long. Stuns are momentarily. EMP and shatter… i mean if you gotta use those ults to cancel an ult it’s fair. Ana’s sleep has no downsides when it comes to actually stopping bob. You shoot it and he’s slept. You can’t miss him.

57

But coal can be slept and hacked.
Should bob be immune to hack too so the ult gets more value?
That logically falls in line with that line of thinking, right?

1 Like
58

Sleeping coal is not easy, Moira is usually in a safe spot (aka shields)
Bob on the other hand is send flying behind enemy lines without peel.

If you try to make a comparison, don’t look at things in a vacuum, context ALWAYS matters

1 Like
59

You can sleep almost any hero to shut down their Ult. The few exceptions are heroes with projectile ults. I don’t see why BOB is an exception given he’s classified as basically a 7th player on the field. If you can sleep literally everyone else, he should be able to be slept too.

1 Like
60

I don’t find it a great counterplay.

It’s pretty cheesy.

Bob is an ultimate. Ana shouldn’t be able to stop him with an ability that is on a cooldown.

But even then, there are so many counters to Bob.

Mei can freeze him quite easily, shields, hacking, boops, Deflect, etc.

I think people will survive if Bob has one less counter.

61

Excuse you? Role Q was literally begged for by OWL and high rank players to get rid of GOATs and dps players upset that they couldn’t instalock dps cuz they were then stuck without healers and tanks.

62

By that logic her sleep dart should not be able to sleep anyone who has an ultimate.
She renders people useless just as much as Bob but with Bob you’re not actually a man down

1 Like