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Remember how Brig broke the game completely? Now Ana is not on the same level, but she is quite close.
Your both “nerfs” did absolutely nothing to her. Nobody ever complained about the nade healing. Quite the opposite.
Now I want to answer to the most popular excuses and arguments people bring to protect Ana.
We need nade to kill tanks.
This is ridiculous. Tanks will die without Anas nade too. If this is true, then if no Ana is in the game, the tanks will be immortal, which is not true.
Nade existed in OW1 and it was fine.
There were 2 tanks that could rotate and a lot more shields to survive. And generally, OW1 is not OW2.
She is strong but not OP.
The main argument is that as a tank, it’s very annoying to deal with it all the time. Also, the perception of OP is very subjective.
It’s on a 10 sec CD, so you can just wait.
Yes, but it has 3.5 duration of anti heal, which means 3.5 seconds of her CD the tank is absolutely paralyzed and can’t do anything. So the effective CD is 6.5 seconds. Every 6.5 seconds the tank can be removed from the game.
Just take a cover.
I am sorry, I honestly hate gatekeeping, but if you think that this a valid argument, you are either super low rank, like bronze to gold, or you don’t know how tanks work. And if you don’t know how tanks work, probably you are low rank anyways.
There is technically no difference between hiding or being anti-naded. The effect is the same, you are out of the game for some time, and the time is ticking against you.
Just dive her.
This can be a situational solution, but quite often as a solo Q player, your team might not want to join your dive simply because they can’t play dive heroes. And often when you dive with a tank, you will get nanoed while she will burst heal. So “just dive her” is a possible solution, but not an ultimate solution.
Just take a Kiriko.
If you are the tank, you will have to ask your team to change to kiriko all the time. I got tired of this, I don’t want to keep asking for Kiriko cleanse. It’s not fun and people get very salty when asked to change the hero.
Use a shield to counter nade.
Again, if this sounds like a valid argument in your mind, you are probably in very low ranks or don’t know how tanks work.
She is vulnerable.
Depends on the ranks. Top Anas are monstrous and before you land a successful dive, they will eat the half of your HP and force you to retreat.
She doesn’t have crazy winrate.
Again, this is about how unfun and unpleasant it is to play against her, and not about her being OP.
Skill issue.
I agree with you. Most of the players in this game are casuals, so when they are antid, they panic and don’t know what to do and they die eventually. So the overall skill issue of the community makes it super annoying for tanks to enjoy the game when there’s Ana. If you think all tanks should behave like GMs and top500s while antid, you live in a magical world full of rainbows and unicorns.
She is pretty much the strongest character in the game right now. Straight up. No other hero has more impact on the game on such regular basis like her.
I don’t want to suggest solutions because I am not a game dev, I am just stating facts and counter-facts. If you want, you can reduce the effect time, you can increase the CD, or whatever you want. But one thing is inarguable, the current state of nade doesn’t synergize well with OW2’s gameplay. Like at all.
Maybe you are a support or a dps, but hey, how about you advocate for other’s issues too instead of being a gaslighting jerk? The community would be so much better.
While I do hate her and think that she needs some serious nerfs to her debuffs, I dont think that she is the most crazy hero out there. Widow, Tracer, Zen, new JQ and Ram are in my experience more of a concern. But of cause Ana is a plague, because she kills the fun of tanks and support players at the same time.
On widow, tracer, zen, JQ, you need to deliver constantly， while Ana just press E to win. Also low ranked tracers and widows won’t have that big of an impact, while all anas in the world already learned that they must anti the tank and win.
They definitely made her less oppressive for tanks with the sleep dart nerf earlier in the season, but anti-heal being at 100% will mean Ana becomes a necessity to make sure things die. Feedback loop where Kiriko also becomes necessary to cleanse nades and try to negate as many as possible. If they reduced or changed anti-heal’s functionality, it opens up other support heroes to have some counterplay against it.
I know they’re resistant to nerfing anti-heal for whatever reason, but every season was alleged to have its own balance anyway. Mercy sat in the trash for an entire season before they largely reverted her changes. Why can they not experiment with Ana for a season and see how it works out?
She’s definitely a problem but I wouldn’t call her anywhere close to release Brig.
It just wasn’t as pronounced in the past because if you dare criticized Ana you had the entire Ana Cabal coming at you especially in OW1, although to be fair to her in OW1 there were more tanks to block her abilities so she couldn’t just lemonade jar your tank repeatedly.
These days its just more blatant because she shuts down most tanks rather easily while also being the single most problematic hero when it comes to heal creep at the same time. If anything ever feels literally immortal it’s usually falsely attributed to Mercy for some reason, meanwhile you check the clip and there’s an Ana healing them. FYI an Ana hitting consistent shots on her allies does about 94 HPS.
She’s honestly not that bad, several counters to get around it. If anything I’d say give another cleanse ability out so it’s not always a kiriko counter.
I think Ana being so strong speaks volumes about the state of the game, anti-heal is strong because healing numbers with tanks large health pools are out of control. I shutter to think how unbearable the current state of the game would be without anti-heal.
Yeah but it’s a bad game design where I always have to ask for cleanse characters on my tank. I don’t want to beg for char switch, it creates toxicity.
At least currently she is out of league. There’s lifeweaver, there’s ana, they both take 1 spot in the team comp, but the amount of value Ana provides compared to other supports it’s just crazy.
Tanks die even without anti-heal.
Do you have reading comprehension problem? Where did I say that I am right and everyone is wrong? That specific part that you quoted clearly says that nobody will want to engage with you in a discussion if you don’t read the thread and jump into replies, which ironically you did, and that explains why this specific line hurt you much.