Am I getting unlucky or am I the problem - I quit guys

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Edit: hey all, firstly I’d like to say thanks for everyone that helped out with suggestions and VOD reviews, I do appreciate it even if it amounted to nothing in the end. I continued playing, following advice, even noticed improvements in my own gameplay(being on fire more often, turning around games I initially would have just given up on) but fact is, my SR is still dropping and I’m not having fun. I want to play and I want to rank up. But i’m not actually enjoying it at all. So for that reason, I’m quitting compet.

Please read my entire post before attempting to offer any extremely generic advice. I go into a fair bit of depth and list several of my own self-identified problems throughout.

So here’s a self analysis of all the games currently in my match history following the longest losing streak I’ve had in competitive. I am exclusively playing tank role queue. My rank at 5 AM this morning was in the 1580s and by 8 AM it was down to 1417. So to start, I’d like to give some background on my gameplay and habits in competitive OW:

I use my microphone every game. Callouts, predictions, suggestions, compliments(e.g. “hey dude nice ult there”)

I never attack my team mates derogatorily, through voice or text chat.

I do often suggest alternatives to my team’s composition and play style, as well as explain why I am suggesting these things. (e.g. “x would you mind switching? You are currently being countered by y”, “Could we get an x, I feel it would help with y in fights”)

I never respond negatively to being asked to switch or alter my gameplay if a team mate raises a concern with me. I will sometimes disagree with their suggestion, but I keep it polite(e.g. “I’m sorry but I don’t really feel like x is the issue for our team”)

I often ask my team mates if they would like me to switch or alter my gameplay if I notice we are not getting anywhere.(although it’s very rare I get any input on this tbh)

I am always looking at my hero and how I fit with my team comp as well as how I fare against the enemy team.

I have queued solo for tank role queue in all matches shown in this post.

I have been gold before in 2 different seasons(open queue), primarily playing the off-tank role, as I have mained D.va, Roadhog, and Mccree since beta. This is my first season participating in role queue and is the lowest rank I’ve ever been and I’m having an incredibly hard time ranking up.

Why am I doing this? For a few reasons.

  1. I’d like some validation that I’ve gotten dealt a sh*t hand here tonight lol.
  2. I do want to draw some attention to how unfair ranked can be, and how a few unlucky matches peppered into some legitimate losses can really mess up your SR.
  3. I would like some specifically tailored tips(I’ve read so many guides… please no “just work with your team dude”) on my tanking gameplay(beyond what I mention at the end of this post)
  4. This doesn’t come from a place of ego, cause I want to improve but I truly feel that my mechanics, awareness, game sense and knowledge are above my current skill ranking(this doesn’t mean I think I’m perfect, please don’t take it this way, I’ll probably never even reach plat, but bronze just doesn’t feel to me like I belong there).
  5. In this entire season(over 100 matches now), I’ve only been singled out and blamed directly maybe 2-4 times, and I don’t really feel like I’m having a hard time noticing enemy mistakes and punishing them.

Okay, before we get into individual match analysis I’d like to mention how I personally judged what was a “fair” outcome or not. It’s pretty basic… if after reviewing the game I still felt like my contributions to my team, both mechanically and as a function of my team work and communication with my team, were to the point where the loss could not be attributed to my mistakes(or prevented by an improvement on my part beyond what I consider reasonable at my rank(i.e. Expecting diamond level mechanics to climb in silver)). The other factor I considered was if I felt one or more players on my team were consistently performing disproportionately below the other players in the match.

So let’s begin:

Loss M7GCMM - Hanamura

I did not play perfectly, however in this match I truly believe I was playing at or above my rank’s competency level. In the gameplay footage I noticed several occasions where our Lucio was just off by himself for some reason, that is the primary cause I attribute to this loss. There was also the issue of our Torbjorn keeping his turret out of LOS of the entire enemy team during the initial struggle for A’s defense, but honestly after he switched to Reaper I have a lot less qualms and we did fine on the defense of B anyway. I did not personally notice many other egregious gameplay errors in this match from my team mates or myself. I may have gone in a little too hard once or twice on attack without the team with me, but overall, this match did not feel like a fair loss to me.

Loss QKKE0W – Rialto

On defense, I really don’t have much to comment on, I think myself and my team played pretty well here. My only critique of my team mates on this one is that my Orisa was positioning poorly in some cases, but not to a degree where it was a clear cause of the loss. I have a tendency to focus on the point even when it’s not safe to do so, I’m working on it. As for the attack portion of this match, honestly, felt to me, both during the match and based on what I saw upon reviewing, we just got outplayed as a team consistently. I should have switched off Roadhog when it wasn’t working, and I needed to really be more mindful of how often I had orb of discord on me. This match felt like a fair loss to me .

Loss NZGQY7 – Oasis

First 5 seconds into the match the Mei went on voice and said she was throwing because she thought our Ashe was a hacker and wanted to force them to get a loss. I tried to reason that this is not how one deals with a hacker and begged her to just leave the match before threshold and we could all report the hacker without giving 4 innocent players a undeserved loss(upon review, I don’t believe Ashe was even hacking, pretty sure Mei was trying to de-rank without getting reported. I reported her at least 25 times for gameplay sabotage). Was met with silence and obviously we got stomped. I’d say 5v6 but honestly, with Mei feeding ult percent to the enemies, it felt more like a 5v6.5. Nothing else to say. This was a throw away match where a team mate was intentionally losing the game. This match especially did not feel like a fair loss to me .

Win TEEXS4 – Dorado

Don’t have many comments for this one. Again, I didn’t play perfectly but for my skill bracket(border of bronze and silver) I think I did just fine. Our Rein was also wonderful this game, but overall the team was working together, syncing ults, switching when necessary, communicating effectively. This match felt like a fair win to me.

Loss Y4JGEK – Busan

Very torn on this one. I didn’t feel, either during the match or in the review, my team was noticeably disadvantaged. I did notice I was often out of position and I was on D.va when I should have switched to another shield tank to mitigate some of the damage. I think my team’s Mercy was out of position too much and focused on healing the wrong people but honestly nothing major enough to blame the loss on. I would have liked to see our Genji switch off too, I felt he was spinning his tires. Second round it really apart, one of my team mates believed the enemy Junkrat was smurfing, which I disagreed with then, as well as now, after reviewing the gameplay. 3 of my team mates became more engaged in this argument than the game and began throwing insults. This match felt like a fair loss to me , with the caveat that my team was tilted on round 2 due to the arguing, although I think we’d have lost no matter what, just by a lesser margin without the argument.

Loss 4VT7TP – Route 66

I’m having trouble attributing this loss to any one person in particular. I think on attack I was bringing some fairly weak gameplay and there’s no excuse for that, but on defense, and maybe I’m just too bad at Rein to see, I thought I was doing what I could for my team. The clearest issue I saw on our defense was just the lack of clear dps focus. They had a Widow main and she seemed to be able to snipe, alone and unprotected, repeatedly. I had a small gripe with our team’s Reaper and Roadhog not positioning the best as well. But… all in all, this match felt like a fair loss to me.

Draw 7K4M84 – Rialto

Leaver before threshold, not in consideration.

Draw DNBKXM – Volskaya

I don’t have a ton to say about this one. It was a long match, the only real clear issue I can see was our Echo. Consistently over-extended, out of position and focusing the wrong targets. I believe the rest of my team performed pretty adequately. Even after the Echo switched(at my request) I found their gameplay underwhelming considering the other 3 dps in the match. Was only a level 27, so it may have just been a legitimately new player, which is frustrating. This match did not feel like a fair outcome to me.

Loss Z0XBKW – Blizzard World

One word for this match: Reinhardt. The Rein on my team was just not performing his role. Playing back behind healers, only using shield when it protected himself(and sometimes not even then), charging at in opportune times, leaving our healers out in the open… I asked him politely to use his shield more and stick with the rest of the team and he did not respond. Beyond that I offered to play Rein(or another shield tank) and allow him to off-tank since he was playing that style anyway, but there was no response from him. Especially frustrating, I actually felt I was doing better than average here with my D.va and Roadhog gameplay on attack and defense. Rein was unfortunately getting flamed by another one of my team mates during attack and I feel that made him pretty tilted on top of not playing the best. This match did not feel like a fair loss to me.

Loss ZDWYK4 – Lijiang Tower

Honestly I don’t have much to say about this match. The better team won, it wasn’t particularly one-sided from my view. This match felt like a fair loss to me.

With all that out of the way, I don’t want to come out of the gate just blaming everyone else for my losses(although I think I was pretty fair about my own gameplay), so I’m gonna list off some things I noticed about my own gameplay I need to work on, and some things I learned.

I really need to have a better balance of going balls to the wall for the objective and staying grouped with my team.

I need to work on my healer awareness. I saw many fights where my healers were being killed right behind me, specifically by enemies that I absolutely could have dealt with.

My main tank gameplay is pretty weak if my team isn’t 100% supporting me, I noticed some times where I got pretty indecisive with Reinhardt and ended up doing nothing but feeding ult % to the enemies.

On Roadhog, I need to become more conscious of how much damage I am letting enemy dps get on me for free, just because I can heal myself doesn’t mean I need to take a bunch of unnecessary damage.

And finally, some questions for those that are actually willing to try to help me improve:

What’s my most crucial and consistent flaw while tanking?

Do I belong at my rank, or is my gameplay indicative that I belong at a different rank?

What should I do when I feel absolutely positive that one of my team mates is doing more harm than good but they are not receptive to any suggestions?

Who seems to be my weakest tank, mechanically speaking?(note: not looking for someone to quote my win percentages at me as if it’s a perfect indicator of who I am good or bad at, part of this post is to discuss that some losses are not really fair, and it’s a circular argument)

Are there situations based on the gameplay available where I am repeatedly approaching a situation incorrectly and making the same mistake, presumably without being aware?

Tl;dr watch my games, decide if these outcomes were deserved based on how I personally performed mechanically and as a team mate for my skill bracket(border of bronze and silver) and let me know why you feel that way.

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Every match depends on your team mates, unless you’re a godly gm in bronze.

Just had 2 games as Rein, qp fwiw.

  1. Enemy goes Bastion and our 2 dps are worthless. I’m putting lots of damage into enemy, but don’t get a single kill as our elite Genji and Widow are garbage. I have to play super safe as Bastion can melt me in 2 seconds.

Enemy Rein just constantly wading in swinging as he know our crap dps won’t punish him.
I get zero elims as enemy crash it home, despite getting several super low several times.

I should have tried a different tank to be fair. Rein is only as good as the threat behind him. He’s not grest in a 4v6.

  1. Dorado. Attack. Bastion sits behind our Orisa shield and mulches everything. I was free to wade in and swing for the fences as Bastion crapping out so much damage if enemy dared to try and respond they got melted.
    Went 8-0 kd.

Match lasted 2.49 total.

You’ve got to accept crap team mates will drag you down. Whilst other games good team mates will carry you.
Just focus your own mechanics.

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Enemy goes Bastion and our 2 dps are worthless. I’m putting lots of damage into enemy, but don’t get a single kill as our elite Genji and Widow are garbage. I have to play super safe as Bastion can melt me in 2 seconds.

Dorado. Attack. Bastion sits behind our Orisa shield and mulches everything. I was free to wade in and swing for the fences as Bastion crapping out so much damage if enemy dared to try and respond they got melted.
Went 8-0 kd.

This is exactly what makes it hard to tell if I’m the problem or not/what my issues are lol! Some games everything effortlessly comes together and some games it feels like i could be making god tier plays every fight and we’d be no closer to a win.

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I’ll have a look later. I’m a worse rank than you, so don’t expect much…

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Watched Hanamura match.

  1. Watch your health. You’re on 150 health when you shoot at several enemies and get chunked. Your breather was just coming off cool down.

  2. You breather with 50 damage taken, so 250 less healing than possible.

  3. I’d strongly suggest holding high ground on point B. You can drop down instantly if needs be.

  4. You walk into a mine field and die. Not sure what that was about.

  5. Good hook on Mercy, but failed to execute. Tricky angle. Might want to do hook practice in workshop for hooking at weird angles.

  6. Not sure why you didn’t ult in overtime to push them off the area. You could have walked behind your Rein barrier and let rip. No Dva or Sigma to negate it.

  7. Dva has a cool combo with dive, rockets, head shots. Can chunk someone super quick. Jayne shows it in one of his vids.

  8. Note you can dmatrix Junkrat death Bombs. Might be useful.

  9. Usual point B crap show as everybody feeds, including you.

  10. Winston into Hog and Junkrat. Ouch.

  11. Your Winston is pretty bad tbh. I’d suggest focusing on Hog. You’re getting picks and he’d have been great vs their no barrier comp. Imo, of course. Your hooks are decent.

Edit, trying to be more helpful…

A few micro errors with cool downs, but they do add up. I make similar myself. One reason I was losing lots as Orisa was wasting fortify. I still sometimes amp at bad times with Lucio, despite my 70% wr on him.

Jayne did a good video on Dva and Hog tech. I can try to find it.

You were up against it. A high damage tank and 2 dps crapping out anti tank damage. Not sure what tank would be good. I think your Hog had potential. Or even Dva for point B. If enemy all clustered on low ground, then it’s a solid team kill option.

Tank is darn hard. I’m doing far better on support 600 sr higher as game is so full of characters designed to bone tanks, whereas supports seem to have it easier.

Good luck.

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If you have few bad games you might be unlucky sure, if it is in long run, its you.

Nice, but it almost sound like you over do it maybe. Keep in mind that too much talk can be distracting for your team mates.

Good.

Great, thats how it should look like when you ask others.

Good again. Mostly play what you want tho.

No, dont do this.

Well no, you should look and think how are other fiting in comp with you. If you go play comp you should already know what you want to play, have back up hero for situations where second tank is stubborn not willing to switch or when hardcountered.

I can certainly check your games if i will have time to give you some feedback, but i have proposition. Would you like to play together? I have alt very close to you and i would like to see live how you play. Are you on pc? EU or US?

Well open q is chaos, i dont consider it as proper comp :slight_smile: dont worry it looks like you are interested to learn and find reasons why you cant climb, i can definitely help with that, but i am not home now, will be tonight.

Ranked games certainly can be unfair but be carefull with not shifting blame for losing from you to others or to matchmaker too often.

Sure i can watch your games later and give you some things wgat you need to improve.

Trust me, they are not most likely, i dont say it to be mean, but its reality, if you are not climbing from bronze, you do plenty of mistakes. Even i do a lot of them in plat.

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Watch your health. You’re on 150 health when you shoot at several enemies and get chunked. Your breather was just coming off cool down.

I think this was the part where Rein was dead, I was just trying to hold the line, but yeah I should have backed off and healed, I agree.

You breather with 50 damage taken, so 250 less healing than possible.

I am aware and working on this, it’s a panic habit that’s hard to break out of because I will sometimes use it pre-emptively for the damage reduc buff, not just the heal itself, but yeah, I waste it a lot.

I’d strongly suggest holding high ground on point B. You can drop down instantly if needs be.

Yeah I was too indecisive here, didn’t trust my main tank to hold point.

Dva has a cool combo with dive, rockets, head shots. Can chunk someone super quick. Jayne shows it in one of his vids.

in several of the other VODs I perform this with D.va, I actually teach it to other D.va players often. Just wasn’t present in this particular match.

Note you can dmatrix Junkrat death Bombs. Might be useful.

I actually didn’t know this. I thought it only worked on his regular gun fire.

You walk into a mine field and die. Not sure what that was about.

Not sure why I walked through the minefield. It was a bad decision in the moment.

Not sure why you didn’t ult in overtime to push them off the area. You could have walked behind your Rein barrier and let rip. No Dva or Sigma to negate it.

Okay, I actually have some rationale for this one. The enemy roadhog had been pretty on point the entire game and a roadhog hook knocks you out of your ult. I still believe after watching the VOD twice and reading your reply, it might have been more useful if our Rein had not been able to hold following my first death in over time, but we ended up holding through the entire overtime, that was in my mind while playing. This is a tough one to decide for me.

Usual point B crap show as everybody feeds, including you.

Yeah callouts had utterly stopped during the last 2 mins of attack, I think the entire team was tilted.

Winston into Hog and Junkrat. Ouch.

Dunno if this justifies it, but I picked winston to counter both moira and symmetra as i was finding them to be problematic for our DPS to hit. We already had good counters for roadhog and JR, but none for the 2 I mentioned. Hard to say on this one. I think it looks especially bad because, as you point out next:

Your Winston is pretty bad tbh. I’d suggest focusing on Hog. You’re getting picks and he’d have been great vs their no barrier comp. Imo, of course. Your hooks are decent.

Im not sure why I didn’t go hog when winston wasnt working, we might have won this TBH. Like I said above, I think I was a little tilted for the last bit of attack and had internally given up after seeing lucio splitting by himself over and over, but I should work on not getting into that mentality.

Tank is darn hard

yes, dude. when i play support or DPS role queue it feels like a vacation, even though both are higher SR than my tank.

Thanks for the feedback, I don’t mean to argue with some points but I do think I have valid justification for a couple of these, based on guides I’ve read and how I understand team fight dynamics.

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I’d suggest death match to sharpen up decision making. I climbed from 1700 to 2550, with pretty solid win rate, after a few hours death match. Getting crushed by diamonds makes dueling Silvers super easy.

I really need to do it more, to shake out the rust. To be fair, plat 2 years ago is like silver now.

Also, your Lucio seemed to do okay. He dropped some beats, and finished off a kill you’d started (then Hog got him). Lucio is supposed to play partly away from the team, ready to dive enemy squishies to kill them. He’s not supposed to just heal bot and stick with the team.
If he’s not wall riding 247 and on high ground, he’s doing it wrong.

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ROADHOG

HANAMURA

  • You often left click when you should right click
  • if you hook tanks,try tohook them on side (like you would try hto hook them off map)
  • using breather at 570 HP
  • You are just in middle of choke being honestly hooked by roadhog, thats not good.
  • you died on first point and as you went back you wasted clip using right click shooting nothing for no reaosn and when you could shoot, you had to reload
  • 3:32 - standing in middle of point why? you have no cover, you should be on high ground defeding it so MCree and hanzo wont take it.
  • also stop with that bunny hoping, its makig you worse at hitting shots and hooks
  • 4:46 ??? what the hell are you doing? I dont understand what you do here, enemy team preferably want to take high ground, if they would go from low ground, you can always jump on them from high ground.
  • 5:36 spamming right click from mile away which does nothing, you are tank, you are not sniper.
  • 6:25 - I was hoping you will stay on high ground but dropped to point again
  • 6:42 - playing sniper again, its like announcing “hey i am here shoot my big body” it is fine to be sneaky and try to hook someone while flanking, but dont shoot from mile away so everyone know about you before you even get close for hook range.
  • 6:55 - You just walked in to mine field for no reason, enemy team is not even on point yet.
  • 7:43 - well this is totaly on you, enemy team has last chance to touch point to activate overtime but you for some reason decided to not use your ult while having rein standing in front of you, there is nothing what can stop you, you could easily ult main entrance and they would not go in. You dont use your ult and die instead not even using rein shield as cover.

ATTACK

  • Why D.va? you dont exactly have D.va comp to dive someone together, well maybe with reaper but thats all.
  • 12:49, trying to push and cap point as baby d,va isnt exactly best idea :slight_smile:
  • 13:11 - playing third different tank in same match, not sure why, you will suffer against reaper.
  • your winston play isnt good at all to be honest. Most of the time you just tickle hog/ball or ground, you often use barrier early and then go out of it. You really struggle to get any value at all from Winston. You have to keep diving low HP heroes, dont bother chasing hog or ball. Also just befor you land, use melee so you will do much dmg by landing on someone.

I had time to watch only one match so far as you posted many of them.

So sumarize things up, you honestly provided very little value to your team, you also absolutly could stop final push on second point. You stand in too open space just feeding enemy ults and you let enemy hog to hook you multiple times because of that. Also your positioning while defending second point was not good, just standing in open places or very far from your team waiting for enemy team to push. I dont want to comment D.va that much as I dont play her, but you didnt provide a lot of value on hog and practicaly zero value on winston. OK lets see what you said about the match

No, you didnt play above your rank at all, its even questionable if you play as your rank as I have seen a lot better players from people around 1400. You should stop watching what are your team mates doing wrong and start focusing on what you were doing wrong or what you could do better.

Also you should decide which tank you want to main. I think you should not go Winston at all, you should switch back to hog and you could actualy deal with enemy tanks. And maybe even cap.

Sorry if I was too mean, its just me, I dont do it to make fun of you, but to provide honest feedback. I hope you understand it.

EDIT: It looked like you can get good hook kills, too sad I didnt see you do it many times.

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I won’t have time to do a full review until later, but I can def take a look.

Would you be at all interested in a discord review of some games? I’m making a push to Diamond right now and I want to learn how to coach. I get if that’s not what you were looking for from a vod review, but it sounded like you want to develop a more team strategy and shotcalling heavy playstyle which is easier to vod review over voice.

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Okay, I agree with a ton of your points here, but I did want to touch on a couple.

What should I do when I’m the only tank left and I’m trying to hold the choke as Roadhog? If I had let them through it would have been less time for Rein to get back and a greater window for them to push in and surround the healers.

I touched on this above in response to another person, I was deliberately holding onto my ult in case I was left outnumbered. I didn’t really trust my Rein this game and the enemy Roadhog had been on point with his hooks, at the range I was at, I was pretty sure he would hook me out if I had ulted at this time. I was waiting out his hook to ult, but I died before he ended up using it.

She’s just my secondary go-to behind Roadhog, very familiar with her kit and play style, and honestly, I think I did alright with her, for the short time I was on her. I probably should have just stuck with Hog, he was working, I’m not really sure why i switched.

Yeah I’m garbage at Winston. I was trying to counter the moira and symmetra but, upon review, I wasn’t even having a hard time with either as D.va so yeah this was pretty dumb.

uhhhhhhhh, gonna disagree with this one. I’m sure you’ve seen some good people at 1400. i’ve also seen some pretty terrible people 2000+. And some gods at 900. But these aren’t representative of that skill bracket largely IMO. Maybe this match I was really not showing my best quality, but I did provide several other matches to draw from, I think they paint me in a bit better light.

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I want at least 2 of each main tank and off-tank playable. I definitely prefer to off-tank as I have mained D.va and Roadhog a very long time. I like Orisa, but she feels underwhelming lately unless im picking her to specifically target an enemy turret or something. Orisa is the only tank I’ve been actively flamed for playing in competitive by my team mates. And Rein. I don’t really love his gameplay, but he is just objectively the most consistent and applicable main tank IMO and I want to be competent with him. I like zarya too. There isn’t much zarya gameplay in the VODs listed, but I personally think I do alright with her(at least compared to Winston, and you don’t even wanna see me try Hammond…). Sigma is okay, I guess. He’s relatively new to me as im coming back to overwatch after 10+ seasons away playing other(mostly non-shooter) games.

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Sure.

Are you talking about 1:58? Well you just lost the rein, so you need to play more carefully, definitely not be in choke trying to defend it alone, you have to user cover, back out closer to point or on sides and basicly try to stall the push, trying to survive until rein will be there again to help.

Your ult is not for using it when you are outnumbered. Its for making space or denying space or for getting kills to enemies close to you. Generaly speaking you want to use ults to get advantage, not use them when half of your team is already dead. They had last push, you dont know what they still can pull of, you want to to cripple them the most so their push fails. Not use yout ult as last thing to save point when others die. You could basicly see what happened because you didnt use it, you died with your ult not using it and they could cap it, in the end they didnt but yeah its still mistake. I feel like you use your rein as excuse :slight_smile:

Also I want to show you something and you HAVE TO stop doing this, constant jumping, it will mess up your hook and accuracy, I want to show you a picure i made, look why you missed that hook:

ht tps://imgur.com/a/EjUloIv

You jumped and tried to hook at the same time and it messed up your hook. Not only it will mess up your aim but it also makes more easier for enemy player to predict your movement and land abilities on you.

Your accuracy wasnt the best with d.va tho, the turning around felt too stiffed.

We will see :slight_smile: I am not saying you are bad, but there is many mistakes in your gameplay, i will tell you them again so you know what to focus on:

  • Use more cover, dont just stand in open space
  • left click for people close, right click for people in distance
  • if you want to flank, use right click when you are in effective range, test it on bots so you know the right range for maximum damage, then you can right click hook left clik melee.
  • STOP JUMPING
  • dont be too passive, flank from off angles to hook someone or catch people who are not properly group up. BUt dont wander too far from your team also.

There were few little things but for now you have these to focus on. And if you like playing hog, stick to hog and main him. Dont play too many tanks.

EDIT: try to eliminated flaws in your gameplay one by one, start with jumping. Next time you post replay code, I dont want to see you jumping that much.

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Btw you didnt react to my question before, are you from US or EU? maybe we could group up as i have alt account in your elo.

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Yeah, I actually had typed up like a 500 word response but the forum wouldn’t let me post it until some other people had commented in the thread first. I’m US east, not opposed to grouping but I do really want to be able to climb by myself or I will never feel, to myself, like I deserve whatever rank I have. I’m more open to it as an option for you to see me play in real time, rather than actually climb together if that makes sense. I do not want to be carried.

And in the above post, the points you re-stated that i didn’t comment on were the ones I unanimously agreed with you on, didn’t have any response other than “yeah, i need to do that/stop doing that” so I just didn’t mention them.

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Well i do main mercy so its not really hard carrying :slight_smile:

Also I dont know if we could somehow meet up on discord, do you have discord? I could review rialto match with you live by screen sharing. Maybe tomorrow. I have 0:01 now btw. So maybe like 2-3 hours sooner than this time tomorrow if thats possible for you?

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I do have discord and all of that sounds fine. Add me on bnet and I’ll send you my dcord info. I’d rather not link it directly here in the forums lol. MorbidRex#1189

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If you can, pick up sigma, if played correctly you can make hog useless by predicting and blocking his hooks, then its free fire. Never leave you sheild up infront of a hog, coz he breaks it fast and you wont have anything to block the hook. Only put up your sheild in close quarters where you can dance around it to negate hog dmg. Eating whole hog slaps, just eat all of it, the more the better, if you didnt know this, you can stand really closely behind the hog and the hitbox of the kinetic grasp still eats the bullets, you should search it up.

Eat junk nades, simple, with good aim in close quarter you can kill him faster than he can kill you if you sheild dance, you also have suck. long range you win.

Moira and Sym you dont have to worry about, but sym is definitely a bigger threat, practice good rock accuracy and combo is to burst her down.

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As long as healers have los on you, you can still survive considering if they dont have a tonne of cc. Stand on the right side of the gate where you threaten the entrance with damage from the side. A coordinated team will be able to push and burst you down, but very unlikely in bronze. You can definitely take a fight against a hog if he decides to walk in when only he has los on you, play safe, stall for time, if rein came back and decide to hold on point, go back to point.

If you have the health for it, step infront of the rein shield and let hog hook you, hog cannot 1 shot you even if you are discorded, when he hook you, heal then whole hog. This is very situational, if the hog’s team is with him then this is very risky and isn’t adviced, this calls for good reading of the situation.

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It really does up even into Plat at least. The thing is, I see a direct ratio of wins/losses based on skill required for characters. Get say WB/D.va, you will likely lose. Get McCree/Widow, lose most likely. Why? Because the other team will run say Rein/Zarya, or Reaper/JR… Incidentally, I see a lot of losses on teams with Mercy - her healing just cannot cope with two Supports on the other team also pumping out damage while she just flits about healing in bursts… Poorly skilled players on skill-intensive characters are just asking to lose 7/10 times. Learn the mechanics in QP, get good there, then come to Comp, don’t use Comp to learn hard characters.

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Alright, Zax is much better at the game than me, so I’d suggest taking his advice on mechanics/hero specific ways to improve.

I’m going to just focus on overall gamesense and your strategy.

Both teams seemed like high bronze/low silver range to me. Overall this looked like a fair loss to me.

Defense Round:
I think the only reason you guys held at all is they were down a tank for the first fight. The enemy team went all in on the damage heavy front and just needed to win one fight. Your team chose to sit in choke and face tank most of that damage while putting out very damage of your own.

Your team holds point B more because the enemy team is bad than because your team is good. Even in Silver and Gold tanks typically hold that top left position on defense there so that the enemy team doesn’t just set their dps up on high ground and walk their tanks in on you.

Attack:
Your team is walking a Dva/Rein into a sym. There isn’t really much more to it than this. The Sym just needs to ramp up her charge on the Rein’s shield (which keeps her ammo full) and then mow through your entire team. Dva’s defense matrix doesn’t do anything against beams and your whole team is on low ground within reach of her.

Oof, this was painful to watch.

Defense:
Not a whole lot to say here. No one was playing well mechanically in this match. The main difference between the teams was your team’s tanks both had horrible positioning and theirs had okay positioning. Your Orisa pressed her ‘s’ key all the way to the end of the map. You walk at the enemy team without using cover and just kind of try to land hooks down main?

The answer here would be to either play Roadhog in positions he’s meant to be in (so take little semi-flanks and get cheeky hooks) or switch to a main tank and don’t backpeddle your way to a loss. It’s hard to win with a main tank that’s that scared, but their team was so bad that a decently positioned hog could just farm them.

Attack:
This is a bit more even because your team at least has the cart to act as a main tank. Your Orisa continues to be very bronze and you keep walking in straight lines at the enemy. Your Genji might have been able to win that for you guys, but they had a Zen that knows what Trance is for.

Skipping this one because it seems like it’s a loss because of a thrower. It’s just a gg, go next.

Your right there isn’t a lot to say here. Both you and your Rein were in positions that would be punished at any other rank, but it didn’t really matter because their team wasn’t good enough to do anything about it. A double pocketed Rein pushing ‘w’ just wins in low elo.

You played like a silver/bronze border off tank here. Standing on low ground and just throwing cooldowns into the enemy without using cover is very bronze. So is placing a shield as an Orisa and then immediately walking through it. Playing with your team and not just feeding into the whole enemy team is low silver. Nothing here says you should be climbing though.

Meka Base:
I mean, I would have loved to see your Mercy on the dps more, but I think she was kinda forced to heal the Reinhardt because your Ana wasn’t doing much. I am hoping that’s what you meant by “Mercy was focusing healing the wrong people”. If you think she should have been healbotting the tanks than I’m slightly concerned. Her positioning was fine, I wasn’t a huge fan of her trying to heal people without a safe jump point but overall she got a lot more done than Ana.

Your Rein had some really wonky pathing and your Ana just kind of lost him and didn’t do much. Your whole team was scattered and disorganized this map.

Downtown:
Your positioning was bad on Dva, but honestly worse on Winston. You just kind of sit behind your Rein and don’t accomplish a lot. I’d like to see you use your mobility to single out isolated targets or to peel for your supports.

Your Ana plays a bit better here, especially after you switch to Rein. I don’t think you did a whole lot as Rein but you didn’t actively confuse your Ana. I liked seeing your Mercy pay more attention to the dps this round, but I wanted her to recognize when your Ana died and take care of tanks a bit better there.

This is all I’m going to review for now. On the off tanks you play I’d like to see you position better and try to make plays. You kind of just live in the middle of main which is not the place to be in most of these games. On Orisa and Rein I’d like to see you to have more impact on your games. That Rein in your Dorado game didn’t have great mechanics or positioning, but he did have a ‘w’ key and tried to actively win the game instead of passively be a shield bot.

I’m starting to suspect that you suggesting hero picks might be hurting you more than helping. I can’t be sure without hearing your comms, but if you are switching to Rein/Orisa and want your Mercy to be on tanks… then that indicates poor understanding of composition to me.

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