All those plat none moira players talking

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I love all those moira post saying how her recent fade change is OP and stuff and then there is me a real moira main in GM and top 500 that actually understand that if anything this buff is crap at very best , it has more downsides to it than upsides and its pretty easy to acknowledge them , idk why i am the only one acknowledging it

you have to waste your only escape and put yourself in a dangerous spot only to give a 1 sec damage immunity to indanger teammates what is for sure not enough time for them to escape or for you to truly save them in most cases if they actually need it

and people call that an “OP” buff seriously learn the game if you did you would see that this is everything but a buff , its a buff that promote moira killing herself for pathetic value , the scenarios where this fade buff would be truly useful are so few and between that its miserable its probably the most niche ability I have seen in this game and even in those rare scenarios the utility it provide is so minimal it won’t even be good most of the time

main reason why I don’t want this buff to come out is because the cry babies are gonna make it so her fade cooldown get nerf and so her flow and survival ability alongside it , only because she recieved this joke of a buff that only morons would find remotly decent , I want moira buffed but with something actually good not whatever crap this is

also her orb change is just a straight up nerf to an already UP ability , only morons can ever get killed by this , i mean only morons can get killed by her current orb but now you would have to be even more dumb

before you say “just aim it and be good 5head , you are just suppose to be good with it now 5head” lets compare her new orb to sym orbs , sym orbs are faster and apply their damage instantly without slowing down as soon as it gets near its target and arent on a 12 sec cooldown and most of the time even with all this spam sym only land maybe 20 % of her orbs unless she is using them in very close combat , so now you expect moira with a slower orb on a 12 sec cooldown and that also slows down more as soon as it gets to its effective range that btw is hugging range and that does its damage overtime and so you expect moira to express her skill in a “reliable manner if she is good” with that unriable crap ?

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It’s almost like you have an opinion. Just like everyone else.

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Basically my thoughts.

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I mean, people said the same thing about lamp when Baptiste came out.

Giving Moira 33% of lamp on a 6s CD is busted, especially since it also removes debuffs and makes them immune to stuff like grav and flux.

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It’s not so weak when you save your team from a Grav by fading in and out real fast.

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The question is how well you can time it and how high it’s skill ceiling is

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I don’t think “makes you immortal” can be balanced with any amount of skill ceiling. It, by design, negates the value of the other person’s skill.

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WAIT A SECOND.

IS THAT ANOTHER MOIRA MAIN WITH A BRAIN THAT ACTUALLY WANTS THE GAME BALANCED? (next to DPSMoira) Hoooooooly.

This is rare.

Keep up the good work!

(to anyone in plat who says “but Moira needs a utility, why do you hate supports? You just want Moira to be deleted”:

  • It would be okey if Moira could only cleanse her teammates with Fade but not to make them literally untouchable Ghosts. Or make it like that she can only make ONE person a Ghost by dashing through that teammate with Fade.
    But to even think that a 6 second cooldown ability should be able to counter ultimates, ultimate combos, and 70% of the abilities with minimum timing skill required is just dumb)
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So we’re ignoring the damage free rotations Moira can give brawl comps?

Okay then.

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I’ve hit T500 on a Moira only account, and this change is definitely OP.
Moira’s Grasp hitbox nerf had been needed since she was added into the game…
Her Orb change is very good, it requires a lot more skill now, for more output.
And lastly, her Fade change… theres no way this CD will stay under 10seconds. I know myself, and I would abuse the life out of this if it were every 6 seconds.
You can literally pocket someone with it, now with Moira you can Fade onto an Ally, make you both completely invulnerable, and then you can body block your ally for another second and throw a healing orb.
A great Moira is going to abuse the life out of this new Fade, it is too much free value for hitting a single button. It needs a longer CD and possibly a complete removal of its Invulnerability, and keep the CC immunity/Cleanse.

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It’s not very hard to fade into a grav, under a flux, or into a group of shattered allies to save all of them. Moira might die in the grav situation but not if her team moves up to block for her. Seems like a pretty huge buff on that front. Of course, I’m not a “real Moira main in GM and top 500” so maybe I’m just super duper stupid.

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Yes but the diff is that me I try to explain why its bad , others just say “oh its OP” and then when you ask “why” they are like “because it is”

thats why I don’t respect their opinions because they barely even have one that make sense

lamp and this moira buff are very diff , lamp can give up to 10 entire sec of immortality that cannot be ignored or bypassed , this moira buff can’t even get close to such value , its a 1 sec immunity that can be very easily ignored or wait out

its not because its only 10 % of lamp value not 33 %

the only good debuff it removes is anti heal and its only good because anti heal is broken , nerf anti heal you don’t even need cleanse effect in the game anymore

but lamp doenst force bap to kill himself to use it , this buff force moira to blow her only escape ability to get into danger

this buff doenst counter grav unless your team have mobility abilities and your team have OWL coordination lvl and very good reaction time they gonna be graved right back in every time

it doenst work next

I have read DPSMOIRA thread and our opinions are very much diff , DPSMOIRA is just like the people i am calling out she want the buff to not come out because she think its OP , me I don’t want it because i think is not that good and I don’t want moira to be nerfed because she recieved this crap buff

so we ignore that her entire team has to hugging at all time and that it make moira so you’re main heal very vunerable by making her waste fade to get into danger , only to get a 1 sec I REPEAT 1 SEC damage immunity what is nothing at all

Okay then

it didnt need a hitbox nerf and this thread isnt talking about this

no it requires the ennemies to be dumbwitted to get value there is no way moira can expressed any form of skill with how slow and easy the orb is to avoid

abuse it and see yourself die because any competent ennemies will take advantage of you wasting your only escape and put yourself in a bad spot to give your team minimal easy to ignore value , congrat now your team just lost their main heal GG go next

a great moira is never gonna use it because they will know its a death sentence 90 % of the time and the 10 remaining % its minimal value

its not hard but it doenst do anything anyway there is nothing you can do with 1 sec only

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Based on the patch notes I found, it was never 10 seconds; it launched at 8 and was nerfed to 5. I was wrong because I thought it was 3 seconds.

I mean, this is where you’re going to see the ramifications of the change soonest.

Using abilities incorrectly doesn’t make them bad. If Baptiste yeets his lamp into the middle of nowhere and it gets burned down instantly, is lamp bad, or is the player bad?

I think we know the answer to that.

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Did you mistake the change on the experimental card with those fan-suggested ones on the forums? The ability does not work like that :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Sounds like Resurrect to me.

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people love to echo their favorite personolaties opinions.

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Baptiste came out in March of 2019, had his kit buffed 3 times in order to be actually playable, and wasn’t meta until December 2019 a month AFTER they buffed his gun in 3 ways

So from March until November, Lamp was so broken, that he never saw much use, and had a 48% winrate at high highest in GM

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Ah yes, the “muh win rate” defense. Baptiste got buffed before people really figured out how to use his kit, and he was never actually bad. It just took a while for people to figure out how good lamp is.

I literally started off my first post with “people thought lamp was bad when Baptiste came out”, and now everyone knows lamp is one of the reasons Overwatch is suffering right now.

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Being in hugging distance is what brawl comps do, mate, that’s a given.

1s of damage free existence means 5.5m of rotation that can’t punished, that’s before Lucio’s speed. An ability like that would need at least 12s CD or deathballs would just press W completely uncoutereable.

As of now, It’s broken and would instantly become meta defining at the highest level of the game.

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It took almost TEN months for people to figure out Lamp was strong???

Are you hearing yourself?

People knew the Genji buffs were broken within 10 minutes of the patch notes

Sigma literally launched meta

You can’t be serious and thing that people didn’t know how to make lamp work for 10 months

also that’s a BIG lol about “lamp is one of the reasons Overwatch is suffering right now.” when Baptiste is trash on Ladder, and needs BOTH Orisa and Sigma in OWL in order to actually work

You know who was used more than Baptiste when Orisa was banned? Moira AND Zen

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