Algorithmic Handicapping (MMR) is Wrong for Overwatch

[Jorlan-11595]

@Kizunas-2325

As for becoming a gm in chess. com vs in real life the real life version is considered more competitive because of cheating.

Before I dig into any of these laxative like text spiels, can we confirm whether English is your first language?

If it is, please understand why I say “shhhh, the adults are talking.”

Edit:
Lets go through your post.

@Kizunas-2325

The basic idea is score and mmr goal is to match but mmr needs to adjust occasionally because of situations are playing outside there rank and the game has no clue what rank they are.

Irrelevant. Prove smurfs dont exist, otherwise this is a failure of the design.

After this you diatribe about various smurf/cheats/manipulators with no evidence or proof that two facing system actually improve these things. Proof is that it makes it worse.

Also, you seem to confuse a rating system with the rating adjustment system. A rating system is the “score” (as you put it) which should be used for match making. A rating adjustment system determines for how much your score should go up or down after the match.

@Kizunas-2325

Btw, these concepts aren’t new and exist in other competitive games and some sports

Woah there. Can you show me a sport that uses hidden metrics from the players, public, coaches, presenters etc? You want to laugh about comparing to chess rating systems, but make claims about things like this?

@Kizunas-2325

To be clear, a score only system is only good if everyone plays all the time, never takes breaks and cheaters don’t exist. Since these things aren’t possible it’s a terrible idea.

A score system that has a system to mitigate the above is better.

Again, this is managed by the adjustments, not the separation of SR and mmr. (Please stop including cheaters in your comments, it shows deep misunderstanding of ranking systems.)

@Kizunas-2325

Anyway, chess is a 1v1 game so the need for mmr to mitigate the damage vs other players isn’t really needed.

Again, mmr is just a number. The adjustments to that number are what you have conflated with mmr. Those same adjustments can be applied to SR.

@Kizunas-2325

I’m not arguing crap like that i was just saying concept of a hidden mmr system has benefits.

Nice moving goal posts. You still haven’t provided a single benefit though.

@Kizunas-2325

You say…

@Bozobrain-1778

If the system can detect cheating

No, it can adjust to test players skill more quickly… If you get lucky and get 10 wins… That’s not cheating and it would be a BAD system if it banned people everytime some had a win streak.

Why bring up cheating then? You claimed hidden mmr prevents cheating. Or reduces it? Or adjusts for it?

Again you claim mmr “adjusts” for win streaks. What you mean is that the adjustment system, which can be applied to the non-hidden mmr (SR) in exactly the same manner. So still no valid point.

@Kizunas-2325

I’m only gonna laugh and point out how silly that is.

As long as you’re happy I guess?

The base line is, with your understanding of mmr it only has benefit for when it is vastly different than the correlating SR. This is a massive flaw, as when mmr and SR have huge variance then the result will be a terrible match maker where visual rank might as well be a rainbow of colors where no one knows which colors are better than others for skill level. So, exactly like how OW1 and 2 work then.