Aimbotters/hackers are ruining the game

Very common to spot them from Bronze and up. Usually they become more non-existent in Diamond/Masters+ because experienced players can spot it a lot more easily but there are those that just go into T500 and nothing done to them because people don’t report it and just think they’re good.

People also think that cheaters always have ESP turned on so they know where everyone is. It’s a very common tactic to turn ESP off to make it seem more legit.

Ranked 100% needs a phone verification and that should be no exception. If you can’t verify a phone number, make them spend at least $10 (cost of BP) to play ranked. Ban the CC# too if they get banned from the game.

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Staying out of GM for fear of detection I would understand, but Bronze? They’re using an aimbot and successfully blending in to Bronze lobbies? They could probably get higher than that if they tried their hardest without cheats.

All accounts do require a phone number, with the exception of OW1 accounts. And the OW1 accounts of cheaters have probably already been used for cheating.

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That’s the thing, most accounts that the cheaters buy are placed in OW1 Gold. They have to climb out of these ranks to get to Plat, Diamond, Masters, etc+ to then sell off the account or whatever. They don’t just boot up the game, hack away, and immediately in T500.

Why the heck would an account seller buy somebody else’s account? That eats into profits. Placing a new account in Gold surely isn’t hard when you’re aimbotting.

They boost the account and sell it off and they are usually placed in OW1’s Gold rank. The account boosters generally don’t use hacks and just turn on their VPN. This was when ranked was Level 25 requirement. The one’s that sell the accounts are the cheaters that boost into a certain rank from that ranked ready account.

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i have comp player friends who see people hacking nothing is done about it and some of these players before overwatch 2 qwas silver and gold

well thats what happend as soon as SMS protect was lifted for old accounts. Including alts.

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Okay, so why are these cheaters being spotted by the very observant players in Bronze/Silver? You said they start in Gold and quickly climb to the top. There’s no reason for them to ever be in a Bronze game. You could place a brand new account higher than Bronze.

in one of my ffa matches was spinning mccree hitting everything

Yes they are, I came back after a 4 year hiatus, I was a GM/Master in OW1. The kind of players I’m seeing right now in gold/plat as the decay after I returned has placed me here (I’ve been checking the profiles of the people I’ve been playing against) aren’t anywhere close to what I used to play against. I’m seeing s76s, mccassidys, widows that I only ever used to see in GM. People who look like they have really sticky aim, it’s especially noticeable with s76s that track you perfectly, perfectly lead a rocket, then it snaps back to original tracking position, it’s incredibly robotic.

The hanzos with the aimbots are even more obscene. It’s always perfectly lead, so if you know how to AD strafe properly to mess with them, when you look at the killcam you’ll see their aim snap back and forth between different sides of your character, once again perfectly lead. The most obvious of it is when they’re above you looking down and it ping pongs back and forth. I had one the other night who couldn’t actually compsenate for my AD, so he had to get up right next to me (this is a hanzo) in order to reduce projectile flight time to hit me, because he wasn’t the one actually shooting the arrows. A competent player would just aim in the center of your AD strafe and shoot when you look like you’re going to juke.

I’ve seen a couple Soujs now which it seems like some part of their aimbot is broken. They’ll miss 70% of their m1s (!!!) and hit every, single, railgun… moreover 90% of the rails will be headshots.

Then you get people whose skill only seems to turn on when they need it, when they’re losing, and their aim completely changes for the rest of the match. Had a widow yesterday that was doing it. Got steamrolled and couldn’t hit any shots, then all of a sudden started hitting every single shot, was doing jump shots (this is in plat/gold!), just wam bam headshots, then it went away halfway through the match, couldn’t hit anything again, then back to the same for the final push. The cheating is absolutely out of control now. I shouldn’t be playing against people who look like they have GM aimbots in plat and gold.

This is a systemic failure of game developers in general, you can’t sell the anti-cheat DLC as I’ve said and Blizzard needs to put on their big boy pants to tackle these issues. However you most definitely will run into 20 somethings that got yelled at at Best Buy, came home, cracked a beer, and want to blow off some steam by paying $10 to ‘crap on some noobs’.

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Well it’s placed in OW1 version of Gold and after they do their placements in OW2, they could get slapped down to Bronze 5 or Bronze 1 or Silver or Gold or Plat, wherever. Depends on who they bought the account from really. Some people even sell stolen accounts so you’ll see someone with an actual gold border level rage hacking. A lot of the times though, people in Bronze are just bad and the people they are accusing of cheating aren’t cheating but there are cheaters ranking up just like normal players.

Well, in my experience at mid ranks, I literally never see anyone who is very blatantly cheating. If cheating were an epidemic I would expect to see that now and then. I can’t prove that there isn’t someone in every game using cheats to subtly play at around my level. But honestly, even if that were true, who cares? They fit in well enough at the rank they’re playing, so it doesn’t impact my game. Sometimes you do see a player who is popping off and carrying their team, sure. I’ve been that player myself on plenty of occasions, so I don’t find that suspicious.

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Most people have no idea what they’re looking for when they’re looking for cheaters, so if you can play games and not notice anyone cheating - good for you. However that doesn’t mean no one is cheating. Most people don’t watch killcams as they’re demoralizing or notice weird nuances in what’s happening because they’re tilted. That’s also why you never accuse anyone of cheating in the game, just report them and move on, unless you want to make a drama pissing contest.

As someone else pointed out, seeing people preaim through walls is another dead giveaway, you’ll either see them holding odd corners you’re about to emerge from, or literally following you through walls as you’re about to emerge from somewhere. Once again most cheaters in this game aren’t even good at hiding their cheats. The best cheaters I’ve played against are in CSGO because they know people can watch the replays, turn on wallhacks, and see what they’re looking at. Overwatch as it’s called in that game does exactly that. In that case it will look like a void zone, where they’ll always hold and rotate on the right corners as someone is about to emerge from there.

Cheating is incredibly common. I believe much more in the 20 something that got yelled at at Best Buy and wants to blow off steam then the guy that lives in his moms basement and has played games 24/7/365 and his third eye of jagon has opened allowing him to peer through walls.

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That’s the thing, why blatantly cheat to just get reported and banned? Most cheaters try to hide it and it shows obviously to people who have experienced the other end from other FPS games or from people who cheated in OW and other FPS titles before. Why get banned when they can boost that account to Masters or even GM/T500 to then sell off?

Technically. They could be passing by in that rank. You could be Gold 1 and that cheater could have gotten there from Bronze 5. Then after that cheater ranks up from Gold 1, they could shoot to Diamond 1. Are you sure you’re going to be climbing ranks when you reach the 7 wins? If the majority of the enemy team says that our team has a hacker, I will hard throw the match as Support or at least not heal the cheater in any way.

It’s not even a monetary thing. They literally just want the illusion to last. 99.8% of cheaters are subtle cheaters. They know cheating is a joke and they don’t want to be a joke. It’s about pride and ego, wanting people to congratulate them or tell them they’re cracked, impress their friends, or conversely pretend they’re amazing at a game ‘because they would be too if they got to play as much’. Darn life!

Rage cheating as it’s called, where it’s blatantly obvious, such as with spin bots is extremely uncommon. No one wants to be a joke, furthermore no one wants to get banned because then they have to come to terms with the fact that it wasn’t actually their skill. There is all different sorts of excuses and rational that cheaters use to do what they do… and if they do it enough, eventually they even convince themselves it’s actually their skill.

The problem with your reasoning is that a cheater disguising himself to seem real is essentially indistinguishable from a player who’s really that good. You think you have a cheatdar for this kind of thing, but I think that’s confirmation bias. Everybody has different sensitivity and different aiming techniques. Their gameplay might look quite a bit different than yours. In the absence of proof, what basis do you actually have to conclude that these people are all cheating and not just the matchmaker making a mistake?

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let’s stop pretending cheating is solely insta head snaps…

but on the subjects of obvious cheating, look at this:

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Lets talk a bit about actual monetary reward, like streaming the game and cheating. I’m very confident as long as you don’t do something blatantly obvious, like allowing your viewers to see wallhacks, you’ll never get banned. Look at Nadia on Twitch, she has a million clips about her cheating, was kicked out of a live tournament because she was grossly underperforming, and she still has plenty of people watching her and funneling money into her.

They literally don’t care. You can cheat and stream and be more popular then talking about cheating. Because everyone who thinks someone cheats are just tilted, jealous, and bad at games. It’s the trope that’s old as time itself and generally one of the arguments people use to cover up the fact that people cheat. It’s the perfect story.

While this might sound silly, I know I definitely could stream and cheat and no one would ever know. I have more then enough knowledge to cheat myself, find private cheat developers, commission custom work, and literally grow on Twitch… However this internally makes me feel gross and never something I would do.

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It’s very easy to tell a cheater from a person with natural skill. It’s not just their aiming that you have to watch. Everything from their positioning to movement to tracking. Lots of things can give it away.

Obviously a smurf :crazy_face:

Even on Twitch you can routinely see some big streamers whose aimbot clicks to people through walls and they accidentally wall them, where they never should know they are… Symphony in particular has made it a meme on his channel. Where when he does stuff like this and his chat thinks he’s just ‘trolling the people that think he’s cheating’. As if he inherently just knows where everyone is through walls to begin with, it’s some crazy gaslighting.

While Twitch can’t enforce anticheat, Blizzard/Epic/Dice/Riot, all the big names really need to get together and start taking this seriously. It’s a epidemic on the gaming industry. They need to pool resources and start a black hat conference for anti-cheat, just like with system vulnerabilities and viruses. This is exactly the same sort of scenario.

But they don’t, gamers need to grow up and start thinking about who they’re playing against and start demanding a fair gaming environment. There are a LOT of things they can do to help combat cheating and they don’t do any of it. And based on my experience in OW it looks like Blizzard has gotten worse - not better, on tackling their cheating problems. And the cheating industry has only grown in the last four years.

As a indie developer, you get $30 a month from a subscriber for breaking someones bad anti-cheat code? That’s a match made in heaven. The cheating industry is absolutely flourishing and it really shows.

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