Advanced Training Range! ⚔ [V11.1]

[HeroCod-2913]

Ok, i think that at this point I’ll just add you on my main account since It’s gonna be a lot easyer to actually chat about the lobby that way:
My B-Tag: ĦƐŖǾƇǾD#2365

Meanwhile I’ll reply to this post here (hehe)

First of all: here is my reference for actually avaialable commands in the workshop: WIKI: Workshop Syntax & Script Database

Than, as always let’s get started

@Kunomori-1653

About how hp works in extreme;
From the way you did that mechanic makes me guess that, although the game keep track of our accuracy, they do that by tracking how many shots we fired [divided by] how many hits we got… which would mean, there is no actual ‘miss’ variable stored we can use? If so, there’s no direct way to make something as simple as:

on event trigger // shoot
if (hit) = true then,
heal 25;
else,
dmg 50;

Maybe an option would be adding a little timer? I dont know how to write in ow structure, but the logic would be like

on event trigger //shot
wait [X time]
check: if variableHit = true
heal 25
else:
dmg 50

↑ the key would be the ‘variableHit’. If we use just the raw ‘hit’ info the game stores, since its just a split second (i think? idk tbh), chances are it will always be false when that check happens. So it would require something like:

on event trigger // hit
set (variableHit) = true
wait [X time]
set (variableHit) = false

This way we would store ourselves a hit state usable for that purpose.

If this is even doable to begin with and actually worth (which from the amount of work and problems you described im not convinced it is… youre the one who can tell that), i can see how it could become a problem for the machine gun types. Which btw, yeah, reaper would be way too easy to use bcs of his shotgun, but so is ana. Like, lets be honest, just like the zenny practice is a glove fit for tracer, this one is for mccree/ashe/widow, the most ‘pure aim’ heroes, so might aswell put a disclaimer in your forum description saying that it will only work properly for them. Maybe even add their icons over extreme mode? Be as it may, using other heroes would be at our own risk.

So, for what regards the hit mechanics, with the new ray tracing, i think i can improve that quite a bit: up until now i had no way to check if a player which had used primary fire had hit a target (not properly at least, as always there are workarounds) but now i can check if, while the player was firing primary (or secondary) he/she would have hit the enemy with a ray starting from hime to the enemy, so even if the spread would have made you miss, you still get the hit if the direction is correct.

Plus i was thinking to automatically reject the entry to extreme mode if the hero is not adapt to do the job (aka before starting extreme mode check the hero and if the hero had to be != from the ones i would set, i would just bump out the player and show a message among the lines of “get a hitscan hero”

@Kunomori-1653

And as far as i can understand, your fly idea is: (ill use random values for example sake)
every few seconds, if fly = on and jump = pressed: move 20 unities up every X seconds [loop]
(so basically, we would be ‘hopping’ going up bit by bit)

set gravity to .1, and if fly = on and jump ≠ pressed; move up 0.1unities (or whatever value it would be to perfectly counter act the gravity) every X seconds [loop]

Not quite, you are close tho: The impulse is not “travelling x units up” it’s applying a “bump” to the player, so applying a very small bump to compensate gravity (or now that i think about it, even an accelleration capped at speed 0) will not make you jump up and down. :3

@Kunomori-1653

Same logic for going down, but in reverse.
I do not understand the inner works of the workshop to know its limitations, but if i understood correctly the logic, i think its mostly working.
Theres a few buts however;
As is, as long as the fly mode is on, we would be constantly hopping (every 0,016 seconds to be precise). The question is: 0.016 is VERY fast, but is it fast enough so we do not perceive the ‘hops’? Because if we do, it’d be as good as a shaking camera and be terribly counter productive.
And on the other hand, maybe TOO fast that it overworks the server like you mentioned and lag/crash?
Which would mean we would need to find a sweet spot for how much we ‘hop’, and the interval in which this happens, but such sweet spot might simply not exist…
And in another note, how would this look like while on the ground? because while in the air, we are constantly dropping, so the compensation makes us stay [in theory] at a vector 0, but on the ground we are not going down… So even if in air the hops were not perceptible, in the ground they most definitively would as our vector wont be 0 anymore.

2 possibilities then; since theres different animations and moves for when airborne or on ground, i think the game already checks this? If yes, use that to deactivate the air compensation. If not… We can live with it? We activated the goddam fly mode, might aswell suck it and stay out of the ground altogether [shrugs]

yes, the game can check for “on the ground” so no problem there

@Kunomori-1653

Alternatively… I know through the vanilla settings we cant set the gravity lower than 0.1 (? if i remember correctly?), but through the workshop isnt something as silly as setting gravity to .000000001 ,or whatever it is the lowest, possible? Anything under .1 would be a nearly imperceptible fall, or slow enough to not be a problem; no more than hitting space every 10 seconds or whatever , but nonetheless more than stable enough to properly aim. In that scenario, i believe the challenge would lie in how to make our vector 0 when we release space/ctrl, so the character stays in the position we want, as without gravity/too low gravity our momentum will hardly decrease even after releasing the buttons…

Trust me: i’ll find a way to make it as smooth as possible

Normally making these modes smooth is not horribly hard, the only thing is that players with lower end PCs might lag up a bit, but i guess that is to be expected…

@Kunomori-1653

Glad you enjoyed my editing~ I had a lot of fun with the hack corner part of the video
My turn to give something back i guess, but when this is done i was thinking about making a proper features showcase video for this mod. The aperture initiative one is glorious and i’d very gadly do something like that (aperture→ https://twitter.com/andygmb1/status/1124174087784419329 )
That is of course if you agree and want to. I was thinking aswell about sending it to YourOverwatch and/or OverwatchCentral so they could feature this mod; i think a LOT of ppl will enjoy it if they actually see its contents.

Since the amount of time i can dedicate to this project is relatively limited, i’d love to have that kind of support for the editing as i’m not a huge editor myself e.e and yes, i do give my consent to send this to Overwatch Central/Your Overwatch and what not, the only thing is that by this point, before anything is edited, i’d like to finish the thing so that with version 9.0, maybe 10.0 it will be done for good and will be usable for any training purpose!

And as always,
Cheers!

-HeroCod