Also a heavy amount of truth there. 
We don’t need Kernel level anti-cheat. Listen to this guy.
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Nobody is saying don’t use anti-cheat. They are saying don’t use specifically kernel level anti-cheat which is frankly a security risk and would deter a lot of people from installing the game at all because it is a security risk.
well, a lot of games use them though, easy anti cheat is one of the biggest i think
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a lot of very popular games use them, but also, arent kernel level anti cheats generally the best ones? since they can get more in depth at monitoring? im no anti cheat expert, but, ive just heard they tend to the most effective BECAUSE they are as intrusive…and intrusive doenst necessarily mean unsafe does it?
Take Helldivers2 for example…I wont put it on my system because of the brand of anti cheat they use…nProtect GameGuard, I hear, is like a very bottom of the barrel anti cheat, and it actually has keyloggers built into it, so they can see everything you type and everything you do online, so…bank accounts? yep, they can see what passwords you typed in…personal email to a family member? yep, they can read all of it.
From what ive read, easy anti cheat doesnt do keylogging and screen capturing…and ive played games with easy anti cheat before, and if helldivers2 were to move away from nProtect and to a better anti cheat, i’d play the game.
So, i mean, not all kernel level anti cheats are a risk are they? I mean no more than any other software you put on your computer that could be hacked?
PvP.
I don’t cheat in Elden Ring.
Thank you, I don’t care 
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Seriously. I’d rather not play the game than have invasive programs on my computer.
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No, just the most invasive ones that open you up to security vulnerabilities. And I actually won’t personally install games that have it.
It actually does. And that’s the problem.
Basically kernel level anti cheat in a nutshell.
They definitely are. And more so than other software you install. They have far more access specific because they have access to the kernel.
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I like how you call out “there is no evidence for this” and then follow it up with something else that has no evidence.
Lol I bet you have tons of invasive programs on your system right now that are A-OK to you.
Uh, no, that would kill Linux compatibility.
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I do not care that you do not care. This is a discussion forum and if the idea of discussion triggers you so easily maybe you should start off with some simpler social interaction.
hence why it is in quotation marks
Add kernel level NOTHING to any GAME.
Gross.
Anti-Cheats always get broken and they’re more often than not one step behind hackers. No casual applications need ring 0, ever.
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Not always, there are some kernel-level driver not requiring going through bios hops for it. Like their Ricochet one, I simply consider that based on how deep battlenet/blizzard app goes in the OS, considering that even small couple changes on drivers can significally impact it’s function and often break/shutdown or give an error code for it. Commonly audio and video drivers, also some processes from it executes on higher privilleges level.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/gettingstarted/user-mode-and-kernel-mode
https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/blizzard/23733250/announcing-ricochet-anti-cheat-a-new-anti-cheat-initiative-for-call-of-duty
Maybe, but at same time, we actually not know how much they changed their tools and what they implemented below the table. Their defense matrix initiative doesn’t appear to be that different considering the number of tools and how much data it collects. If they still use Warden or started using Ricochet or something else, tho.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/overwatch/23857517/defense-matrix-activated-fortifying-gameplay-integrity-and-positivity-in-overwatch-2
That’s the real scary stuff. It doesn’t even need to be on your system to work, it can be streamed to your monitor and the game/pc your playing on is non the wiser.
Though that might give rise to Ai anticheat it does feel like an armsrace that screws over the average customer more than protects or helps them.
It’s why people can’t play Siege on Linux without being banned. Ubisoft just can’t be arsed.
There is a difference between invasive and risky. If there is badly written software I could have some problems uninstalling or I may have to use some stuff to get to it or worst case I rollback before I installed it. Either way the problems are manageable. There is bad code for the kernel level and that is something that is not easily fixed. I have seen the work Junior Devs do and I do not trust that work to be on my PC.
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I’m not dumb enough to install shady things onto my PC unless they’re required to keep it running smoothly. I actually have very little installed.
as far as i know warden is a kernel lever anti cheat but people seem to always find ways around warden
Nice.
You came out of nowhere being rude by calling my example dumb, despite being a perfect example of a game plagued with cheaters, despite its implementation of a kernel level anti-cheat,
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No that is not what happened. I do not know why you lie when we can read the evidence to the contrary but sure lets pretend that we cant read the previous posts.
So lets clarify what actually happened. I called people cheating in a primarily PvE game dumb. You, for reasons unknown to me, took personal offense at my thinking people who cheat in a primarily PvE game are even dumber than those who cheat in a PvP game. Now I do not know whether you cheat in that game and found it a personal attack or just find the idea of my disliking cheaters offensive somehow but that is what happened and we can both see it.