Abusive accounts in low elo

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So I should premise by saying that I am a guy who occasionally will make a new account, but I am also 3.7+ on every role which I consider mid/high-elo.

There is a problem in the elo bracket 2.2-3k.

The amount of what I call “abusive troll accounts” is too high. To the point where I as a 3.7 player struggle climbing and I have to resort to flexing. I can escape that elo eventually but on top of there being a different meta, it takes me maybe 20-30 games to reach low Diamond these days.

If I struggle, I feel plats/golds have 0 chance of escaping this elo. And it’s due to other plats/golds who make smurf accounts to place them in gold/plat/silver/diamond and ruin their own elo. Generally a masters/GM is SIGNIFICANTLY better than a plat/diamond, I remember in s21 I had 90%+ winrate on every role until Diamond. These days, I systematically place low plat on new accounts, because low elo has become WAY more random and ridden with these troll accounts.

I think smurfing in general is bad practice. I am culprit of smurfing myself. However, I think smurfing as a high elo player is more permissible because:

a) you converge more rapidly to your equilibrium elo (in theory)

b) smurfing in diamond/masters isn’t as impactful as a silver player who got a lucky streak and got a new account in plat, or a low diamond in a gold game

in short, fixing these abusive accounts in low/mid-elo is a BIG priority in my opinion, because games in such elos don’t have any structure whatsoever and are basically coinflips even for a masters player like myself it’s incredibly hard to win low plat games. I reckon it can’t be fun for plats, either to have 3 of these “fake smurfs” on 1 team, and lose and they become toxic, then the game after it’s the enemy team.

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Nah we just dont deserve a higher rank. The system works. Matchmaking is fair and we are only held back by my willing to learn despite playing this game since release.

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matchmaking is fair, I can climb but it should not take me 30 games to reach LOW DIAMOND as a 3.8 Ana/Mercy/Brig/Zen player. I should not have barely 50% winrate in GOLD games because 4 people flank me, including a Dva, Reaper, Genji and no matter what hero I go, my 3.8 doesn’t matter because in a 1v4 you can have t500 aim and still die.

Inb4 position better, most games I position so defensively, but enemy team literally chases you around the map while your team does nothing, it’s literally, the name of the game in low elo is, who gets more potatoes/abusive fake smurf accounts.

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So low ranked players who play on alts at their same rank are ruining the game for everyone? :thinking:

I get that some lower ranked players make new accs to place higher, but a lot of times people who “can’t escape” their rank are where they belong.

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yes because let’s say you are on 2400 on your main account, it is possible to get a lucky streak and place 2900 and start feeding in 2900 games. In contrast if you are masters/GM, in theory you should place diamond 95% of the time and you cannot “get lucky” because you need to get lucky like 6-7 games in a row.

These “burner smurf accounts” who are low elo on main also on top of all act always like they are t500 when it’s crystal clear to me they are diamond AT BEST and always go heroes that require you to play the game in an extremely specific way, often pocket-reliant such as Phara or Reinhardt. Rein in particular, there are some “OK” Rein players who are worth pocketing, but in low elo there are A LOT, A LOT of shieldbots, you can hardpocket them and it’s a literal time waste, sure you build ult but you get 1 Nano, they get 3 ults off your Rein, Nano is strong but it’s not better than 3 ults combined. If you don’t hardpocket them they die 2s after teamfight starts and it’s 5v6 whole game.

Also the impact of a gold player in a high plat game is FAR superior to a masters player in a diamond game in terms of skewing the matchmaker.

Furthermore you need to deal with people playing heroes they are incompetent at, it’s extremely hard to win if one team runs Reaper (mechanically easy hero) and the other runs Cassidy (gamesense hero somewhat aim-reliant). Likewise for Ball vs Hog (Ball being hard, Hog being easy), Sigma vs Rein (Sigma being easy), etc.

Support in low elo is legitimately a sad role with nearly no impact (which is paradoxical because it’s a high impact role from diamond/masters+ on).

You also need to play very stupidly to climb which builds bad habits, for example if I am Moira (forced to play Moira as I concluded it’s the best hero for low elo), and I know enemy Reaper has ult, normally I would beam the Cassidy player but since he is an extremely bad player I am forced to beam the Ana player instead (which I would say it’s OK to let die to Reaper ult in mid/high-elo and prioritize the Cassidy living instead).

Low elo is just stupid and so unfun particularly on tank and DPS.

I started believing hardstucks, tank in gold/plat IS a weak role (which is funny because it’s a strong role in diamond+).

Best hero until Diamond I reckon is something like Reaper or Soldier or maybe even Genji.

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in season 3 I suppose? Because otherwise you talking nonsense

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I should maybe say I’m on EU? Idk how it is on NA. I also sometimes play at off-hours, specifically mornings when maybe people offrole and troll more. But I’m very sure it’s not me. The higher I climb, the more consistent my winrate becomes. I can share replay codes if you believe I’m some QP warrior who does placements. I’m not. I lock I reckon 100 games a season on each role in ~3.7-3.8 elo on all roles. There might be a tilt factor influencing me in low elo, I admit, but I reckon it’s a “reasonable tilt”. I flank more with Zen or Moira when I’m in low elo, but I’m fairly sure that’s the right call overall because if I play “normal”, you get literally Cassidy players rolling PRE-FIGHT into Rein hammer, Genji players AFKing, such games you don’t win them by “enabling DPS or tanks” as there is literally nothing to enable. People don’t know how to position, are not patient to get healed, you get a 150 HP Winston who just HAS TO jump in again when I’m healing him and die. So flanking and playing DPS-y is the right call.

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Yeah I suppose you’re right.

Even though I’m not high SR, I really hate getting gold and below alts on my 2900+ matches lol

(Smurfing is bad son don’t do it)

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You did not answer the question. I am eu player too and nothing stops me from climbing to diamond. Same as I never place my fresh accounts to plat lol, its always 3000-3200

So the question is same: when you was 3.8? There alot of masters players “in the past” who still thinking they are capable to be 3.8 (they just need motivation), in reality, the game difficulty jumped much higher than they can expect since those days they played in masters

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I think I’m a bad guy myself, don’t get me wrong. I don’t think smurfing is reasonable and I wish in OW2 they fix this issue (which they promised). But it’s DEFINITELY FAR worse in low elo than in Diamond+.

Diamond+ players can deal with a GMish player or at least make it a close game. GM will win most of the times, but let’s say it’s KOTH, the timer will be like 100%/75% in the GM’s favor.

An abusive troll account in plat, in contrast, has potential to make you lose EVERY TEAMFIGHT. If it’s a payload map, probably you get capped with 4 min and barely cap 1st point and never cap 2nd. For example.

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Someone finally gets it.
Especially if you are good, you are going to attract all the smurfs into your matches.

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30 games to diamond as a 3700 player bro are you boosted???
You should be getting diamond in placements or 3-5 games after placements.
I struggle to stay in diamond without soft throwing, if I’m trying to climb I’ll skyrocket back up to masters

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I did answer your question. I am 3.8 in current season and active in 3.8. Maybe you know how to deal with low elo BS better than me, maybe you do placements at prime time when it’s more consistent players, but I’m VERY SURE matchmaking quality degraded. I saw many t500 players like Forgiving (t500 support NA) go 2-3 in placements on their U2GM challenge and literally place gold. So either you got lucky, or you are trying to be a ego guy who wants to show they are better.

Game difficulty increased but not significantly, even IF I was 3.8 some 5 seasons ago (which I’m not but let’s assume I was), I would be 3.7, 3.6 at best in current season. Definitely not gold/plat.

Let’s say overall, 3.6 from 2 years ago = 3.2 from current season. That’s roughly how much the skill has increased, at the same time I think people got better mechanically but gamesense and teamplay are at an ALL-TIME LOW.

I should, but I don’t. I can share replays. Low elo has rare robots. If you get lucky with placements, and place 3k, it’s easy from there. If you place 2.5 cuz u had thrower/troller etc. in team, gl grinding 30+ games to low diamond.

If you call me boosted, I watched a ton of content creators do U2GM, I guess Samito, Forgiving, Metro, etc. are all bad also, all of them placed 2.5-2.6

I also tend to do placements at night/morning, maybe that’s why I get bad games (overall tho it shouldn’t matter imo).

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Honestly as a 3700 player you shouldn’t be getting stuck in gold plat or diamond.
I’m sensing something ain’t right, what heroes do you play at 3700???

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on tank I play Winston, Orisa (when I have to, I never start Orisa), Hog (rarely, hate the hero), and Dva. I guess my main on tank is Dva tho I flex to what’s needed I will start most of the times on Dva.

On support I play Ana/Zen/Mercy/Brig, rarely Bapt (I’m a decent Bapt but I find him very unfun).

On DPS (my main role and the one I also struggle the least climbing with) I play Tracer and all hitscans + Hanzo + Echo.

Funnily though even on DPS I struggle to climb these days, Tracer (my main hero) is borderline unplayable in plat/gold games, they always 5 man counterpick me and my team AFKs. I do a mix of Reaper/Soldier these days, but really mostly Reaper cuz they tunnel vision me hard and it’s the only hero you can survive with.

On support I generally eventually escape plat with a mix of Bapt/Moira/Zen (Moira cuz positioning doesn’t matter in plat, Bapt for the damage and Zen when it’s a long range map).

On tank I generally play Hog, Sigma, Ball (top 3 solo queue to punish bad elos imo).

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maybe

Which you face 1 time per 100 games, because they have close to 90% winrate in their stack.

Boosted long time ago and now dropping down, thats how i see your explanation. Active masters player won’t create such cringe threads “i am smurfing in gold and having struggle to rank up to diamond because i face another smurfs” wow, what a fresh news

But when you say you place a new account to plat, for me everything is clear

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pretty sure last time I watched Forgiving do U2GM Ana or something, he placed like 2400 or something like that. Very sure he went 2-3. Support is a useless role in low elo. It’s who gets the most robots. This is not to say I excuse all hardstucks, if you are good you will EVENTUALLY climb, keyword EVENTUALLY.

ok if this is the explanation you come up with and it’s easier for you to believe than my explanation of low elo being ridden of trolls/smurfs and boosted accounts and AFKers… then sure you do you. I know I’m right and like I said I log 100 games a season on each role, can’t really be boosted when you log that many games and maintain rank.

What can I say you are the average OW player, I bet you are one of those guys in masters lobbies, team wants to go rush, you are Ana OTP, “Ana can you Bapt”, leaves VC and proceeds to “why me, you can 5 man flex a Winston comp around my Ana pick”.

You literally sound like such a guy, holding whole lobby hostage with “I bought the game I do what I want” logic.

Just to show an example of a game where it’s unwinnable:

Replay code: 04R8QJ
I’m the “MercyMain” player (I’m not really a Mercy main, it’s just a funny name).

Now I’m sure you will find that I did a flank that was too greedy, inted my Coal 1 time and fed 2-3 lives.

You can always play better, but I don’t think I played badly and I don’t think it should be this hard to win what from memory was a ~2400 game.

Literally if you watch the replay you see both my tanks are trolling and dead on CD, my Rein player with 1 HP pins in and never uses shield, but I’m SURE you can carry such people by farming Nano and giving them Nano and turning them from feeders into miracle players… it’s TOTALLY my bad, I’m just not good enough to win a 2400 game.

Rein player is 50% ult after 3 min… that’s clearly my bad, I’m just not good enough.

And low Gold Winston 1 trick (Bronze last season) playing vs 2x offtank Reaper… yeah that’s my bad also, just give him nano and he carries :clown_face:

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good to know i’m average ow player which smurfing since season 2 and has real understanding about games below 3k :slight_smile:

the more you write the more I smile, same as the others who reading your posts

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LOL!!!

I checked your profile. You are a gold player on every role.

Literal time waste talking with you.

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I have more accounts than you have fingers on both hands and legs :slight_smile:

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