About the genji buffs

Ive seen so many people complaining that hes finally getting his damage put in line to actually be able to secure kills when he engages someone and I just wanna address something.

Yall realize that DPS have to be able to kill things right? Hitscans are able to 1-2 shot you from halfway across the map and im more than aware that yall don’t like that, but if you just nerf those heroes, then no DPS are able to get kills. Buffing genji, who was a counter to hitscans prior to season 8, provides another viable DPS option (potentially)

like we cant just have ashe McCree widow being the only dominant DPS forever… tracer and echo are good right now but only when they’re pocketed by a brig, which is a bit more difficult to get people to do on ladder.

Plus genji has to play in a dangerous range where he’s vulnerable to close quarters beams from moira and zarya, 2 commonly played heroes who aren’t going to allow genji to roam the map uncontested, and inside the range of every CC in the game.

As a last note, its summertime, there are going to be a LOT more players right now. Patches over the last few months have suggested that devs are trying to bring dive back on a map specific basis, which btw, dive heroes haven’t been viable in 2 years since season 10 mind you

During dive theres WAY more solo impact, you can legitimately carry games. With a lot more people coming back to the game over the summer, there are going to be bad teammates. People refusing to cooperate, people refusing to coordinate, people refusing to swap off of hard countered picks etc

would you rather lose a game because of having a player like that on your team, or would you rather have heroes in the game that are high skill, with a high enough reward that with proper performance, can carry in the aspects that a bad player on your team is dragging you down.

Having a meta like this will be good for the game so long as we don’t make the same mistake as last time on dive, which was just letting a good meta last for too long.

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its just the usuall-flanker gets buffeed-outcry from the forums.

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It’s not that Genji needs a buff (cause he really does); it’s that there’s pretty bad powercreep going on in the DPS line (which is caused from healing creep)

at least for me that is

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adding new mechanics to sustain = buffing damage to keep up with it

options are to either nerf about a dozen heroes, which would cause a huge outcry, especially since it would specifically be supports getting hit the hardest with DPS just getting reverts.

“Gah de DPS favoritism is kill da game QQ”

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Yeah that’s the problem. I still believe power creep should be lessened in some way, that doesn’t require a global nerf. Especially burst damage. Armor changes can help with that.

As for the actual Genji buffs, I’m all for it tbh.

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its crazy how fast the narrative switched as soon as buffs got proposed for him

saying “nanoblade is basically meta” first off, no it isn’t, maybe in your silver games sweetheart, but its the easiest ult combo to shut down above diamond

saying “genji is an easy hero” hes one of the top 5 highest skill ceilings

they literally just don’t want DPS heroes to be able to actually kill anything

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For me, I’m guessing devs realize a potential counter to DoubleBarrier, is Dive.

And given the popularity of Dive with the Runaway-VS-LunaticHai showmatches. They are thinking “Yeah, more of that”.

Since they only other good alternative to defeat DoubleBarrier is more “Mei/Reaper mini-GOATs”. Which would be about as unpopular as DoubleBarrier.

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Looking at only ladder stats (pickrate, winrate, damage stats, eliminations stats, etc) do I think the Genji changes are not needed. At all.

Looking at OWL stats can I see why he is getting buffs, but I don’t think this kind of balancing is healthy for the game.

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his stats are heavily inflated by nanoboost

with his damage being buffed, and anas healing per shot being nerfed with no changes to either of their ult charge rates, genji is going to be building blades before nano is even at 60%. You’re gonna be seeing a lot more blades just being blades with no extra damage because of that which are gonna be way easier to deal with.

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It’s really disturbing they think nanoblade is meta lol. Any form of cc or defensive ultimate can stop Nanoblade at once. Heck, even rally can halt the momentum of nanoblade.

I literally only swap to genji if they have snipers and no one else is doing anything about it. I use Dragonblade to force out stronger ultimates or to get a quick kill on Ana. That’s it. Otherwise I just go Doomfist.

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i think the genji buffs were probably fine, maybe except for the spread one

a lot of people really just dont think he needs one tho, thats the problem,

i personally think he needs some form of sidegrade more than straight buffs, he will never be able to compete with doomfist, echo or tracer for flanking

however if you buff genji a lot you…probably have to nerf dragonblade a tad, since its a really powerful ult

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nerfing dragonblade itself makes him dependent on nanoboost, same as nerfing orisas shield didn’t end double shield, it made her dependent on it.

plus he was already at a weak enough stage that hes able to get buffs without getting nerfed in return

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im not sure he is That weak, but some buffs without compensation nerfs could be okay,

although any damage increases might require at the very minimum some form of ult charge increase, simply because you dont want the ult to charge really fast, faster than it does already

first off

the buffs aren’t to put him at 5/10, they’re supposed to put him at around a 7, because they’re trying to bring dive back. Flashy plays, solo carry potential. Its fun to watch which is good for OWL and fun to play which is good for ladder, unlike Goats, bunker, and double shield.

second, making changes to his damage and anas healing without changing their ult charge rates is a nerf to nanoblade. It takes ana longer to build nano and genji is getting blades faster, right? So either genji is gonna be holding his blade for an extra minute waiting for ana to catch up, or hes just gonna pop blade to clean up a fight

here i disagree

i dont think the devs should be favoring any meta for “Dem Owl Playz”, that is pretty stupid,

the only reason i agree for buffs to dive myself is because its simply…Not good, and makes dealing with long range hitscan extremely complicated,

i mean this is assuming both are building up at the same time, its marginally easier for a hero like ana to build ultimate than for genji,

Actually genji already can build ult much faster than already if he is engaged in fights constantly and lives

you’re cherrypicking a single part of the statement.

They’re trying to bring a meta we already know is fun back into rotation. OWL benefiting from it is a plus, but its mostly just more fun to play on ladder.

same situations where ana is gonna be getting healing done genji is gonna be pumping out damage

true, which furthers my point

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Forums is 50% support, not surprised

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Shhhhh, before a support main comes up and ask you “where did you get that info you got no proof”.

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It’s literally not the easiest combo to shut down in diamond