Dear CornNooblet,
You’re right, I do. Sorry.
Yours sincerely,
Casual Andy
A large game dev company will never be interested in a small niche. They usually try to stay close to well known formulas that work. Overwatch 1 was a “happy accident”. I knew from the beginning that a heavily team based game played by casuals would be a huge s***show.
Honestly not wrong, most things wrong with the game has been sparked by people refusing to play the game as a team and wanting to be more individual.
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That is not the reason it was changed. When polled, Hanamura was one of the more popular maps. The reason it was changed was because of league. The players had been campaigning for it for ages. They want the game to be more fast paced and the devs do too. It wasn’t because they asked people what they liked or not. A lot of people hated Paris and HLC in particular but other 2CP maps weren’t as bad and Hanamura was even generally liked.
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Last time I remember playing cod I don’t think there was a giant German dude with a hammer or an Irish woman throwing healing and damage balls around with a kamehameha
In this case, you should. The full quote doesn’t do anything to make the cod comparison better. If anything, I think its exactly the same, meaning saying “They said ‘its just like cod!’” isn’t disingenuous.
See, that’s what I don’t want in Overwatch. Ideally, I want death to be a likely possibility, but one that can be avoided with careful teamplay. That kind of gameplay feels unique. Instead its more like “Go die! Then go die again! Then go die again!”, and I just don’t want that out of Overwatch. In games with fast TTKs, the characters feel like tissue paper; where’s the satisfaction of killing them?
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People cry, “waaaaaaah, we need more individual carry potential.”
OW2 moves a bit closer in that direction.
now people cry: “waaaaaaah, I want you to keep trying to force coordinated team fight environment on every situation with random people playing together.”
Make up your mind please.
There’s you’re first problem, chief. Anyone who said they wanted way more individual carry potential in a TEAM game should have been ignored.
Meanwhile, I’ve ALWAYS said more “carry potential” was a dumb idea for a team game. It sounds like that “tanks don’t have to tank to be tanks” argument that is objectively dumb.
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Yeah? The full quote doesn’t seem to be missing much. The game being described isn’t one I’m interested in.
the problem with 2cp wasnt teamfights it was spawn and map advantage
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Sounds like the opinions of different people. I don’t understand why you would lump everyone together. Each person is different.
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That cod statement is not what worries me it more along the line that I think all roles will need to be made more self sufficient. Tanks and supports with greater independence.
I think supports would need beefier anti-flanker measures and tanks that can survive being aggressive heavies.
What people always meant that they wanted their contributions to matter in this team game, to have agency to make skillful plays with player skill and be rewarded for making skillful plays in various ways and that sort of thing. Whether it be because they’re smart at coordinating their team and outsmarting their opponents like Fitzyhere or if they’re amazing shot like Ans or if their timing and reaction and ability usage is impeccable like Leejaegon or Super.
What OW2 is currently is literally the one with the biggest gun and best aiming skill sending people into spawn simulator mode. They don’t have agency and they cannot contribute with any of the previously learned skillsets like game sense, coordination, timing or smarts, they’re just target dummies for dps to feast on. Their game sense and skill won’t matter in the face of superior pew pew where they don’t even have time to react to getting blown up.
What’s the point of learning how to counter Nanoblade in OW1 if it’s all that is down the drain in OW2 where Genji can just autokill your whole team because your abilities got literally removed to combat it? Or something is just so OP you get deleted within 0.2 seconds without being able to make a counterplay?
Individual carry potential does not mean character should be able to contribute so much rest of your team never matters. If team never matters, then it’s just a glorified 1vs1 with bots. If it comes down to that, then why have a team in the first place and not just play a solo game? It’s not overwatch anymore if player only wants to excel as a singular entity.
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Plus the occasional threads stating one person can ruined matches especially when it’s a Moira just DPSing which is very bad where currently this game relies on teamwork to win.
Anybody who thinks Overwatch shouldn’t primarily be a shooter game, isn’t paying attention to where the sentiment of the vast majority of the playerbase is.
Much less the types of games where new/returning players are going to come from.
Overwatch is a business, that needs to appeal to it’s core playerbase, and the bulk of it’s players it can gain.
Not fringe groups who barely play the game, and are mostly headed to PVE anyways.
The forums is not a hive mind with one opinion. It’s a community of people each with their own opinions. There does tend to be group consensus around certain topics, but even that is divided by pro and anti groups. Just like any other topic that communities are split on. The people who complained the loudest when things were more team focused were the ones that wanted more carry potential, because they weren’t getting what they wanted. While the people who were getting what they wanted had no reason to complain. Now that the game is gonna shift to a different direction, the shoe is on the other foot. So, the ones that would complain are the ones losing what they wanted (heavy team focus) while the ones happy with the change (individual carry) have less reason to post, they are getting what they wanted.
Good joke. Hanamura is a wonderful map yes but 2CP sucks. Make the same poll with the mode and not what map is the best because just because Hanamura was highly picked it does not mean they like 2CP.
They both where the pinnacle of trash. 2CP was hated in general. In OWL 2CP was even very good because you can see the teamwork. Just in normal games 2CP was dreadfull. Thats why it was removed. Dont think that 2CP was liked.
Well, remember that I’m always speaking for me primarily. I think we know Call of Overwatch is happening regardless of how I feel. That being said, I do genuinely think a lot of the suggestions that Blizzard listened to should have been ignored. Meaning
- Tanks should not die as fast as the rest of the crowd.
- There doesn’t need to be any more emphasis on solo play than was already in Overwatch.
- Damage doesn’t need to be stronger. At least, not without defense getting buffed, to.
But again, all that is just how I feel.
I also don’t think you’ll be getting any old tanks to return. The best you can hope for is new tanks playing, but even that seems unlikely considering Blizzard has failed to bring in new tanks by using the exact methods they’re trying now.
“Hmm, no one wants to play tanks. I know, make tanks more like DPS!”
“Hmm, that didn’t work, and now more tanks are leaving…I know, make tanks more like DPS!”.
You’re absolutely right! But I AM the core player base, the tanks were, but we’re being pushed out with these changes. Can you see my confusion?
You do know I used to play Overwatch daily, right? And the only reason I stopped was because of the changes that ruined the game for me? Like, I owe a lot to Blizzard and Overwatch when it comes to inspiring my work, but I can’t act like a fanboy and pretend everything’s going well for me.
That being said, I DO think the best thing blizzard can try is appeal to new players. I just don’t think it’ll work for the tanks. Even I want to try the new Bastion specifically, but watching the tanks playing was like torture for me.
Also, lets get one thing clear: I’m completely fine with the idea of a faster paced, more FPS like Overwatch. Plenty game franchises I’ve played has done something like this.
Bioshock 1 is a different genre of game than Bioshock Infinite. I love both games.
Kingdom Hearts 1 is a lot slower and more methodical than Kingdom Hearts 2. I love both games.
But I LOSE Overwatch 1 with the addition of Overwatch 2. Can’t you see the difference there?
Yeah I don’t see what people’s goal is when they say “if you don’t like it then leave”. Overwatch has been loosing players for a long time and game quality has been going down. When will people realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot by saying that.
Overwatch is the only shooter game I liked playing and it was precisely because it wasn’t all about the frags. By going down this route I just won’t play overwatch just like I don’t any other FPS because getting kills has never been the gratifying part of the game for me.
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that could be true for the people who litters this forum but I can assure you that a lot more people is interested in playing a game like the one describe THAN current OW, sadly there’s no way to gauge a real number except for the fact that devs have done enough research into the topic as to make their choice
and look, in the end it might be a result of the OWL but honestly, OWL is what has kept this game afloat for so long so it makes sense for them to cater to it as opposed to catering to the constant whiny echo chamber that is this forum and its users who won’t be putting a single dollar to support the game they supposedly love so much they just berate all day every day
my suggestion for everyone in here is to sit back and enjoy the ride, things will NOT be changing until the game is released and numbers show whatever they’ll show, if you dislike 5v5, get used to it, if you dislike the reworks, get use to it, if you dislike overwatch, in all honesty get out, this is the overwatch forum and we, the actual players who can’t wait one more day to play OW2 are done with your negativity