A loss and a draw are the same thing?

Your rank is determined by 7 wins or 20 losses/draws.

In the past, you’d get little to no SR change when you draw a match. A win would get you 25 SR and a loss -25 SR (give or take a few points here and there), and a draw wouldn’t really move you either direction. It made sense.

But now that draws are in the same pool as losses, whats the point of going for a draw at all? Why should we sweat and struggle when the match will end in a draw at best… which is counted towards the 20 losses anyway?

If anything draws should be not counted at all, or have a separate counter.

Such as:

  • 7 wins - your rank will be adjusted according to your performance (usually positively)
  • 20 losses - your rank will be adjusted according to your performance (usually negatively)
  • 7 draws - reaching 7 draws (before your 7 wins/20 losses) would result in an automatic derank because its super unlikely for to achieve that many draws before 7wins/20losses without rigging matches. If you don’t reach 7 draws (which you likely won’t), they will have zero negative or positive impact on your mmr/rank (unless you performed extremely good/bad, to which it could potentially influence your mmr but not as much as a win/loss).

Does a system like this already exist? If not, then why do draws count towards the same pool as your losses? It doesn’t feel satisfying at all anymore to get a draw.

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A well thought out and articulated post. :slight_smile:

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Was it actually stated somewhere that a draw = a lose?
MMR and SR are hidden, so there’s no way to check to see if it goes up or down after a draw.

i wonder if it only counts based on the previous outcome of a game? such as when a team (i will use professional sports for the reference here) had won the previous game, then ties the next game, they are still undefeated last 2 games, where the same can be said if the same team had lost the previous game and tied the following they would be winless in 2.

thoughts

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Not exactly, but draws count towards your 20 losses. Since there is no longer a visible SR/MMR number adjusting each round, then we cannot know for sure draws are weighed differently under the surface.

Its part of the problem with this new system.
Getting a draw feels almost demoralizing because its counted towards your 20 losses

I believe I’ve had exactly one draw in ow2 so far and like 3-4 losses due to server errors/bugs so I’d rather they fix the latter first. Draws are lame so if both teams lose SR for that I’m actually kinda cool with it. But then there are a couple issues like 2 deranker stacks playing each other could just agree to a draw. Or if one team had a cheater then they probably wouldn’t ever agree to a draw if it’s treated the same as a loss.

The people who deal with the servers and the people who decide how rank is determined are two entirely different teams and thus can likely be worked on at the same time

This is why they could make it so draws mean nothing (like they used to). And you adjust mmr/sr based on individual performance in the game. So if both teams did nothing, you would definitely still lose sr.
Its also why you could make it so if a player reaches a certain number of draws, they auto-derank. Because draws are rare so having multiple before you reach 7 wins or 20 losses would be unlikely without rigging (and if this happens too often, it results in a ban)

I just don’t agree with draws counting towards the 20 loss pool.