90% of your loses in Mystery is not the random factor but you

Hi, let’s talk a bit about Mystery (Tl;Dr at the bottom)

Mystery Heroes is missplayed and is THE game mod where you can most easily see what’s wrong with the way people play Overwatch. Here’s why.

First let’s get back to the core principles of this game :

  1. Coordinate with your team

  2. Take down the key targets

  3. Cap the objective

Let me put the emphasis on the order of those principles, because a lot of people don’t get that right. You can be the best fragger in the world, if you make three picks with Widow but your team is not there to take advantage, you served nothing.

We’re touching the first problem with this community. Far too often, and I admit I sometimes do it too, people go solo and disregard entirely the “team” aspect.
It goes as far as to being mocked for trying to get some sort of coordination or focus (it still amazes me). From my personal experience and from what I heard, it’s pretty common on every level of this game.

Let me make a quick call here : If you don’t want to play as a team, it’s fine. Just go to FFA.

The second problem I too often encounter when trying to get a bit of organised play is the “It’s just QP/Arcade” excuse.
It is the most inane reason you could come up with to explain why you don’t want to play a TEAM BASED GAME as a TEAM.

Let me be clear on something : the aim of every game mod is to WIN, not your personal K/D, not your PotG, it’s to win and together with that.
QP and Arcade are there for practice and fun, alright, but the goal is STILL TO WIN.
I’m not that much of a competitive player, I’m all here for the fun. But when I get 4-5 games in a row when we lose not because we miss more shots but because we couldn’t get ONE grouped assault on the objective, I kinda want to quit life.

I have immensely more fun in a game when we put some good teamwork, trying to win together and lose faire and square againt a better team than when I got a win a chaotic game where people where everywhere but together.

BACK TO MYSTERY

I play a lot of Mystery because, as my pseudo gives it, I’m lazy and often don’t want to chose a hero to play. So I have a lot of hours on this mod and here’s what I have to say about it and how people play it.

Mystery Heroes is THE game mod which embodies the most the core principles of OW and it’s problems because it’s NOTHING BUT those principles.

First : As much as I can be annoyed by it, in every other game mods you kinda can carry your team if you are skilled enough on a hero.
In Mystery, you can go 2-3 games in a row whitought getting a hero you like. Chances are, none of you like the hero you got. It is therefore really important to get together and push with your team.

90% of the game I win in Mystery is because my team was somewhat together and played along ; 90% of my lost are because as soon as the game began, everyone went everywhere to play solo because “it’s just arcade”. [Of course the percentages makes no sens, I’m making a point not a peer reviewed scientific paper]

Second : “Yes but if we don’t have hero we like and they do, they win !”, plotwist => No.

Like said previously, firstly you get your team together, secondly you take down key targets. You need to have this in mind in all the game mods but even more in Mystery.
Mystery is essentialy an elimination game mod in disguise. The map objective is less important than taking down the ennemy heroes.
Why ? Because of ult balance.

Ultimates in Mystery are even more important than elsewhere because if you die, you gotta build it up all over again. Far too often I see team just sidesteping in choke points doing nothing but feeding ult for the other team. You gain nothing by being passive, your ults get reset and theirs get fed. You need to be a bit overagressive and get some kills or you’re just making the match harder and harder for you.
I’ll even say that if you can manage to kill ONE key target like a fed Zarya, an anoying Mei or a cheeky Hanzo and lost 3 of your teamate in the process, it’s a win for you.
Often is Mystery, we established that, you don’t get the hero you like so if you can take the one or two good heroes that they have, it’s a win ! You now get to fight a composition they are less confortable with.
Overagressiveness often goes much better than a mild passiveness. Don’t wait, go in together.

In Mystery, your solo skills count for less than you teamplay skills. Being able to go together and focus the same target is better than your mad aiming skill because most of the time, you don’t have the right tool (hero) in you hand.

Tl;Dr : The randomness of the Mystery Heroes doesn’t often let you play your solo strenght, work with your team. Sharpen your key target selecting sens and make the call. Don’t be afraid of going all in on even just one target. Glory for the overagressive, limbo for the pusillanimous.

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I do think there are people that simply throw in the towel at the sight of a Mercy on the enemy team and stuff like that, it’s like people stop trying if the odds are against them in terms of team compositions.

The random factor totally does affect your chances of winning tho IMHO.
Some people might land their mains while others get characters they’ve barely played.

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I agree completely. And something specific i want to address: People often talk about unbeatable comps. Few comps are truly unbeatable. Sometimes your team needs to suicide to remove one or two key members(as you said, focusing is a teamwork skill), but that puts you back in the game so to speak.

The randomness definitely is a factor, but not as much as some people think.

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90% sounds much higher than the actual number, but yes, there’s (usually) more to it than just character luck.

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Mystery Hero Strats

AYY LMAO

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Let me know how to take down that key target pharah that’s annihilating your team when you have 2 junkrats, Reinhardt, brig, mercy, and lucio.

The core reason for the lack of teamwork is that the game mode produces teams that are not cohesive. You cannot counter pick the enemy when you need to, and you cannot complement your own team’s build with what is missing.

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Say what you want but I am going to blame a defending team of 3 Bastions, two Mercys, and a Reinhardt every single time over “oh no silly me it was all my fault.”

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that’s when your mercy pulls out that blaster of hers and goes ham on the pharah. I’ve seen it done, a mercy with good aim can take out a pharah lickety split

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Heavily disagree. I frequently 6 stack in mystery with equal parts hardcore players and absolute casuals. Winning or losing comes entirely down to if one or two of the hardcore players gets a good hero and solo carries.

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give me a widow and I can take on that comp solo, and I’m a bad widow.

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A lot of people really fail to see that dying is even more punishing in Mystery Heroes and they just run alone into the enemies and feed.

And when you ask people to play like a team you get the “It’s just Arcade, relax”, sorry if I don’t enjoy getting destroyed for 5 minutes because you want to screw around.

Sorry I’m a bit pissed about players in Mystery heroes…

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There’s also one very important factor, and I used to say on here all the time but I’m done sounding like a broken record to a crowd of monkeys.

Mystery Heroes IS NOT Random. It gives you more of the Heroes you choose the least, and rarely gives you the Heroes you usually main. Simple as that. People have verified it enough times where it shouldn’t be a question anymore, and Blizz should stop saying it’s random.

The only Mystery left is which of your least-played heroes will you get?

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I’ll be the first to admit that a Mercy with good aim can be quite deadly, but a pharah that can be solo’d by a Mercy is a garbage pharah.

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The “key targets” one is, IMO, the big one. Lots of goofy “unbeatable” comps can be broken if you can assassinate 1-2 heroes, and if it takes wiping your own to do it, it’s worth it. (I find it hardest to fight against balanced comps, rather than silly ones, because a balanced comp can best cope with a stray pick here and there and there isn’t a glaring weak point to take advantage of.) I think there’s somewhat of a corollary to the key targets in recognizing the key heroes on your own team and helping them/peeling for them at all costs.

There are some RNG situations where the odds are SO stacked against you that you probably can’t win, but these games can still turn on a dime. I’ve been on teams that got steamrolled right to the end, only to get a clutch team comp that allowed us to hold and ultimately win. Or the team that looks like we’re going to get full-held, until suddenly we roll counters to what the enemy has.

So I’d suggest a fourth point: don’t give up too early.

And maybe a fifth one about not getting tilted at the RNG. ;D It’s not personal, it is just the Arcade, try to make it work.

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90% of the Losses in Mystery is because you’re on Attack. The inability to keep your ultimate between lives favors the defenders a lot.

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This is probably the biggest thing in mystery heroes. You could be getting boned do to your hero comp the entire game, (like they have 2 Orisas and a mercy or something) but if you keep trying to break through. a lot fo the times you can. the other team will get over confident and over extend, get comfortable and start making mistakes etc.

I have had so many MH games where we are getting our butts handed to us only to snowball into a win in the last minute.

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That just means your hero pool is shallow. After accounting for characters I stay alive longer on, my mystery heroes playtime is fairly uniform, whereas everything else is quite skewed.

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Hooray, someone that finally gets it! There are very few situations that can’t become overcome in Mystery Heroes. People love to blame RNG instead of their own failings.

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Well, that’s when you go all together to take him/her down even if you all die.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Your assumptions make me not even want to respond, but I will anyway.

There are 8 heroes I play very often, these are the ones I rarely get in Mystery.

Calling my pool shallow because I don’t play heroes like Sombra, Winston, Zarya and Tracer, and these are the ones I get very, very often… is just you making whatever assumptions you want. As for your own pool, I’ll say congratulations. It’s not easy for everyone to put in the time to have a wide pool like you. So yeah… congrats. I mean that.