It’s the respawn simulator. I played around 10 games today and couldn’t win a single one. By far the worst role in this mode, with DPS and Tanks dominating. WHY is the DPS passive a thing in this mode?? Why??
Everything is just exploding, the damage is absolutely too much and no matter how hard you try, you cannot keep up even if you healbot and you barely have any impact on the match. Both DPS and Tanks on your neck 24/7! It’s absolutely horrible. I am not sure did they mess this up on purpose or what is going on exactly but the matchmaking is a disaster too, probably to reduce the queue times, every single match is just a stomp. They really ruined this 6v6 with some absolutely weird decisions, like S9 health pools, big hitboxes, buffed and busted DPS passive…
Nah support always felt this bad in 6v6. It’s just about who healbots the hardest. I agree that it’s the worst role in 6v6 - not in terms of power level necessarily but absolutely in terms of fun.
I didn’t necessarily die more often as a support, but what I noticed is that support has less agency over the outcome of the match.
Most you can do is enable your team, but then it’s up to them to win or lose.
It’s not necessarily a bad experience if you don’t care about winning or losing. It’s rather chill.
But if you do care, you either have to think outside the box or play another role.
My experience has been diametrically opposite. Fights last seemingly forever and often get decided through attrition. Depending on the mode, you can win a long fight with like two or three of your teammates standing and it’s a Pyrrhic victory, because the enemy has spawn advantage and you can’t advance the objective.
Low heal comps can work, I’ve had several games of brig Lucio or brig zen that were fine, but the problem is quite a few tank players are just used to perma living and don’t really play it too well
MM seems awful for this mode for some reason. Anyways it need more balance changes which i doubt we would get. I do hope they remove s9 changes. Whenever they add 6v6.
ive been playing all roles and support doesnt feel bad to me. Yes, you have to be more attentive and smart with your healing, but there is still a wide range for potential play making and kills. Had a game on Ana where i played so well and effective that I essentially carried a team that looked hopeless through the first 65% of the game. I assume a lot of 5v5 tanks arent used to the flow either and dont realize how quickly misplays can be punished.
The 6v6 format overall has a much higher skill level requirement than cookie cutter 5v5, which also allows for much more play making and skill expression that has been absent for so long.
part of it is growing pains too, my first few tank games felt rough as i had to get a better grasp on what i could get away with in the new format, but once i got a better grasp on it, the duo tanking became extremely fun.
but yah, you do probably have to ‘support’ a little more, but supports are still some of the best duelists in the game and also have incredible game defining utility.
Using queue times as argument doesn’t work because they, for the most part, vastly vary by region, time, mode and MMR/rank. It is different for everyone. Support is, and has always been the shortest queue for me.
You are likely playing wrong then. If anything it is easier to say alive as support in 6v6, and the only common denominator between those 10 matches is you.
I agree that it feels like sabotage even though it’s likely not. I remember hearing in the 6v6 dev interview on Spilo’s channel that if they were to have both 6v6 and 5v5 available in the game, they would prefer to have as few hero differences between the modes as possible. From a game design perspective, they want to ensure that it’s not too jarring to switch between the two modes with how many differences there are.
That being said I believe that diverging the balance changes between the modes significantly is a necessity. Keeping a lot of the changes that were made for 5v5 in 6v6 just isn’t good enough. For 6v6 to be as good as it can be, they really need to just go all in and do it properly. Get rid of all the 5v5 baggage.