6v6 or 5v5 doesnt matter when the game is so unfun

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TL;DR AT BOTTOM

The game has gotten to a point where there’s so many unfun characters that it doesn’t matter what format you’re playing, the game just isn’t fun.

Problem characters like Widow being Widow, Lucio forcing you to do 3, 180’s a second to try and kill this support duelist while he’s booping you around.

Moira being so unfun to play against always. Ana shutting down half the tank roster with 1 basic ability, Bap having good damage, good heals, providing invincibility.

Kiriko 2 shotting people, vanishing the second you jump on her, her ult being insane and is in every single game.

Mercy’s damage boost is a balance nightmare and is the reason Pharah had to be reworked… rez has always been super unfun and the game devolves into chase the Mercy, which isn’t engaging at all.

If a few of these characters were in the game, that would be one thing, but all of them together it just creates an environment where no matter what OW2 isn’t fun to play.

This is why MR is winning, you could say get good or whatever else, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s not FUN to play and MR is.

TL;DR

These heroes make the game extremely unfun

  • Widow (Obvious why)
  • Ana (shuts down half of tank roster with 1 basic ability)
  • Bap (a lot of healing, a lot of dmg, immortality)
  • Lucio (Basically a support duelist that is boops you around and u can barely see when he’s in your face)
  • Mercy (Damage boost balance nightmare, forced Pharah to be reworked because of 1 basic ability. Rez and game devolves into chase the Mercy)
  • Kiriko (2 shots, ult incredibly powerful, vanishes if you jump on her, in every game)
  • Moira (Regardless of how strong she is, very unfun to play against and stomps low elo)

Honourable mentions IF they’re buffed

Wrecking Ball, Mauga, Bastion, Dva, Doomfist, Orisa.

It’s no wonder players are running to MR, these characters ruin OW2 no matter what format.

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Remember that she steals utls with just one simple bell trick too. DPS players HATE her!

And I have a lot of fun ruining people’s fun as Kiriko btw. So, youre wrong, ow2 is fun.

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its easy both modes have the garbage s9 patch

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Of course it’s fun for the Kiriko player but that’s only looking at 1 side of the coin.

Seeing as dps is the most popular role, it’s no wonder players are leaving for MR in droves.

S9 patch truly is trash, but now that MR is a serious alternative option I don’t see a lot of people returning even if it’s gone.

I play primarily tank and dps and not having to deal with Ana has been amazing.

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rivals doesnt scratch the itch for me atleast with tanking or dps, except maybe ip kid but he is like the mauga of rivals and will probably getting goomba nerfed overtime.

i like their supports a lot though.

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The supports are super fun to play, I’m really enjoying Adam Warlock and Luna Snow.

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Mahvel is just more fun. It is not because Overwatch is unfun. It’s because Mahvel is really fun. Sometimes things can be simple.

:muscle::face_with_monocle:

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Idk OW at its best is very fun.

I think they’ve let the unfun to play against problem get to a point where the game is ruined now tho.

League has a similar problem, at least in that game you can ban some heroes but for the most part it’s become wild how unfun it is to play.

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I respect your opinion and everything, it is just that, for me, there are SEVERAL characters I want to play as in Mahvel in all roles. In Overwatch, it’s Just Monikahardt. That’s it. I do not even hate playing against anyone in Overwatch anymore. In Mahvel, I hate Peni Parker with the passion of 1000 burning stars. It’s just that my love is more potent than my hate.

:muscle::innocent:

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Fair enough, I think for me the only way OW could get away from this problem is if the devs actually crack down on problems like Ana shutting down half the tank roster for example.

But it’s been years and I know they never will, so I dont see myself really returning to OW.

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its fresh and the real danger rivals have against overwatch is actually their ip and they havnt even tapped into any of the xmen stuff properly yet or even gone for the coolest ones.

Like overwatch will have to pull up something big to match that if rivals actually pulls its weight properly going on.

though given how they are treating wolverine i doubt they will

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I love Wolverine as a character and have played him quite a bit and honestly.

I think the biggest thing holding him back right now isn’t his kit or damage or anything like that. It’s how funky the hitboxes on his abilities are.

His grab, the shift ability, I can’t remember what it’s called, but he jumps into the air and grabs someone.

That thing misses ALL THE TIME. Even if you’re RIGHT in front of them, he doesn’t grab them.

It’s crazy, if they fix that he’ll do a lot better.

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ya its not smooth at all i would take a weaker smoother wolverine over what they have now.

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First of all, what the hell? Wolverine is clearly the coolest X-Man. Who is your favorite, Iceman or something? Lame!

But yes, we need more X-Men. Those are basically the only characters I want besides the Fantastic Four (and Footdive) as well as the edgy ones such as Blade and Ghost Rider.

You cannot be serious? Overwatch has nothing that can remotely satisfy that hype. Doomfist was the only one they ever had and they gave us some fake reject instead of one of the actual Doomfist.

They should just stick to trying to add cute waifu that are pretty mid if we are being perfectly honest. Psylocke claps eight years of Overwatch with one skin. That’s just pathetic…

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Yeah and I agree for the most part. We can compare Overwatch to Rivals but the s9 changes were successful at what they were trying to do: make the game easier for casuals. MR has cut out the middleman and started off that way.

Most of the best DPS in the game right now are highly-mobile melee characters who need very little other than timing to farm the enemy supports. That’s not going to last forever and when the supports are harder to farm, their insane healing is going to get toned down. I’ll be surprised if all the wacky, chaotic balance in the game doesn’t eventually get chipped away the same way as Overwatch did when e-sports got involved.

The “cheesy” characters will get reworks and guts because they’re not fun and flashy to watch and cries for changes will go ignored because they care more about the money rolling in than if the game is “fun.”

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The game has to be fun for money to keep rolling in.

I don’t get the impression they’ll cuck to esports like OW did, I could be wrong ofc since it remains to be seen.

But the reason I say so, is because if that was their intention from the start, why design the game in such a non esports focused way?

What I predict is esports will be esports, it’ll have a scene, they may complain about some things but they’ll choose fun first.

That being said tho, a lot of high elo streamers from OW, Samito, Jay3, Flats, Wanted from what I’ve seen have all been grinding the hell out of MR and loving it.

So, I don’t think it’ll be a major issue.

And I just remembered, they have bans in Diamond+ I actually think this helps balance high elo a lot.

In OW if Sojourn is dominating high elo, they have to put up with it. In MR if Hawkeye or Hela is dominating high elo they just ban them.

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I don’t necessarily feel like this is always super true cause people still bleed money into Overwatch and that’s apparently a game no one is having fun in.

You could say the same thing about Overwatch tbh. I feel like a lot of the dev talk about not adding role queue and this and that is to build hype that the experience will be different from what we already have with Overwatch. Money talks and if they feel like they’ll get more money or hype from having the game be a certain way, that’s what’s going to happen and they’ll just say they moved positions around and decided to go in a different direction.

Sure, but if the same characters always get banned, how do they change them in a way that makes it so they can be played? Iron Fist has the season bonus so if he’s the one always getting banned, what’s even the point of having a season bonus in the first place? Not that we need to debate the finer points of whatever is going on in that game, but they each come with their own host of problems and hero bans are not a perfect solution when the system they have in place creates the situation where you either ban this specific character they decided to giga-buff or get dominated.

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its obviously professor X you dummy :joy:

though i dont have much hope after masigma.

That said i meant overall even in avengers they just used the generic basic bees and made them more generic.

I mean thanos isnt even here yet.

Though their power is more in all those non popular characters that are more cameo types.

we have a lot if they properly tell phil spencer to open up the microsoft franchise for them, do you know

how popular a gears of war marcus collab for soldier, lara croft, doom slayer for reaper would open up.

they need to collab like hell though also some off movie collabs if you want to go gacha like charlies angel, baby driver and ggg.

Make a heist mode with baby driver and ggg collab .
ggg bootskin for ashe or tracer would match anything marvels does.
Have a highlight intro with kiriko picking up tracer like in this clip

you dont compete against marvels with gameplay , cause that;s not what they are doing either thats easily already surpassed by overwatch outside the main mode issue and matchmaker hoopla.

you need to be more eventful and welcoming like overwatch used to be.

It wont be easy but its definitely doable easily if they are ready to step up the ante and do proper thoughtful collabs.

What casual audience wants is 3 weeks of fun modes and fun cameos often, main gameplay loop can just be worked on slowly in the background to retain the more hardcore players.

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That’s… I actually respect that answer even if I do not understand it.

Yeah… I do not have hope for any of the vanguards to be perfectly honest. The Thing is probably going to be throwing pillow punches. Mr. Fantastic will punch harder just because he is a duelist.

Let’s hope it stays that way.

:muscle: :face_vomiting:

Reinhardt deserves that skin.

Triple G? The boxer? Anyways, why does it make so much sense that the first movies you brought up were Charlie’s Angels and Baby Driver. That’s just, so you…

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lmao it’s true nobody is probably having fun but OW has also been around for a while. People have sunk cost falacy with it and it’s also become a part of people’s lives/routines.

MR hasn’t earned that yet, it needs to stay fun. We all also know how much OW has benefited from never really having a true rival, but now that MR is on the scene, I think fun will matter a lot more.

I just don’t see how focusing more on esports, a market that notoriously doesn’t make a lot of money is going to make them more money.

People like the game now as a casual experience, high elo streamers are loving it. I don’t see why they would ever change it.

I’m not sure if they even need to be played. Everybody probably has more fun not having to deal with them.

But getting the character to a place where they’re not perma banned is of course a balance issue and it’ll be interesting to see how the devs handle it.

I could see them removing it in the future, I’m not sure why it’s in the game to begin with, I heard that maybe it’s to encourage team ups? or encourage different characters being played?

But idk, I’d probably rather see it removed entirely.

It’s not, but I could see people sticking around MR longer if they can ban Hela vs playing against Widow/Sojourn farming every game.