6v6 needs role queue

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I know a lot of people will disagree, but open queue just doesn’t work. Mostly in metal ranks, and it doesn’t work at all in QP.

I actually would prefer open queue, since it’s nice being able to swap roles with friends mid game. However, most of the playerbase in overwatch are stubborn, toxic, and just don’t care how they negatively impact others experience. It gets tiring having half your matches with 3 or 4 DPS. I believe 6v6 would increase in popularity if this was addressed. Wanna play DPS in 6v6? Well enjoy getting basically no heals then, or only having 1 tank if you are lucky. Someone will be afk for 30 seconds choosing their hero. They will come back and see 3 DPS 1 tank, and 1 support. They will still pick DPS. Then they will be the one to spam healing requests.

It’s just miserable. When you are the only healer, you are stuck heal botting, and can’t look away from team mates for half a second. When you are the only tank, you are getting beamed down cos all the pressure is put on you, and you have less HP then 5v5.

Honestly, I am just tired of Overwatch now. I hate 5v5, cos tanks are raid bosses. I hate 6v6, because very rarely do you get 2 supports, and 2 tanks. Every match I am filling in roles, and I barely ever get to play what I want. I am to respectful to just play what I want, because it will make the game unfun for everybody by having the team constantly falling apart.

Open queue is only fun when you got a team on call together. I work for a living, and I can’t be bothered to be on the mic all the time. Sometimes I just want to chill, and enjoy the game. I can’t because allot of the player base are insufferable. “iTs OnLy Qp” doesn’t mean it’s fun constantly dying to stuff that could easily be prevented. Or you play ranked and everyone just ignores, or disables chat.

Another issue is people do try to back fill roles, but they can’t play them. I don’t blame them for trying. The problem is, players shouldn’t be forced to do this just to make the game tolerable. Just throw open queue in arcade or something, and have a 6v6 role queue as the main option. The game would literally be better in every way because of it.

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I think it would be worthwhile to at least give RQ a try.

Tanks are much more fun than they were in OW1, and we have more of them. I don’t think queue times would be as bad as they were in end-of-life OW1 (that seems to be all people can remember).

RQ would 100% encourage people to queue up for 6v6.

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The problem is, there are many diehard OQ fans and thus Blizz wants to preserve 1 OQ mode at least regardless of 5v5 or 6v6.

But 6v6 is more suitable for obvious reasons. So, there are two options.

make another game mode 6v6 RQ which could divide the playerbase even further.
replace 5v5 RQ to 6v6 RQ, but Aaron won’t do that because it just negates the whole point of OW2. Also, Q times could be unacceptable as a main mode.

I think the most realistic approach would be to balance the game so that tanks aren’t that mandatory, and remove M2T as well. Make a real OQ game mode.

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I love OQ just how it is. If they make a 6v6 RQ then it should go in the arcade.

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I actually vaguely agree. You cannot trust people to even keep their own best interest at heart. That is the extent of uselessness that we are dealing with here.

You could try tank. It might broaden your perspective.

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QP match quality is already dodgy enough as it is. To make matches in sane times, the 6v6 QP matchmaker would have to completely throw match quality out of the window - and it would still take longer than it does to get a Max 2 Tanks QP game together.

When I get home, I don’t want to wait longer for a game that’s going to be just as bad of a stomp as some tri-DPS team.

I’m not against putting a 222 RQ mode in the Arcade, but let’s not trade in what we have for something that’s been tried and failed before - back when it was the main mode, to boot.

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That’s the problem. I’m always backfilling support or tank. It’s like I never get to decide what I want to play that game, cos I need to try and balance the team. Eventually it gets stale when you are playing stuff that you can’t be bothered to do.

I can play all roles, but doesn’t mean I always want to play those roles. Then I can’t stand 5v5, cos it flows terribly. The only time anything happens is during the ults.

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I’m not against putting a 222 RQ mode in the Arcade, but let’s not trade in what we have for something that’s been tried and failed before - back when it was the main mode, to boot

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I believe despite people complaining, role queue was successful tbh. It works better then 5v5

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This is the root of this dilemma.

I hear a lot of calls for RQ, but the vast majority are from players who simply want someone else to do the undesirable job of tanking so they can live out their main character fantasy.

Until people can start thinking of the betterment of the team, these lopsided disasters will keep occurring.

In others words, the solution is less selfish players.

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I mean clearly it doesn’t….game was without RQ for like 2 years….its had 6v6 back without it for how many seasons now? You got another game that’s fairly popular that doesn’t have it either..

YOU need RQ….but the game/the mode don’t NEED it

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The problem is that RQ existing in the first place has made players way less flexible, to the point they are only able to play the roles they onetrick.

Then you introduce an OQ mode, and it’s treated as less competitive even though OQ was the standard years ago, and so less players play it.

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id probably play more of 6v6 if it was rq, i just dont want to play with triple support anymore

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NO THANK YOU

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I’d rather not have to wait 25 minutes in line to play the DPS role all because people want to be told what they have to do.

Last several times I’ve done the whole Role Q thing. The only Q that is open for fast Q’s is tank and healer. I hate both roles and in Open Q I only switch to those roles when absolutely necessary.

I’ve always felt Role Q is there for people that cannot think for themselves and that its some form of “govern me more” types. Just sayin. I’ve found it to be a massive pain to deal with since once you are locked into that role. if you have both roles occupied and the players are complete potatos. its GG within the first 30 seconds.

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Cool.. they can have 5v5 for this OQ

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When a DPS has to wait to play they’ll finally give a damn about just being rolled because they are incapable of adapting

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adapting, you mean taking on other roles?

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Open queue exists. You can circumvent your skill issue and wait times in 6v6 which makes that threat emptier than my teammate’s skulls.

:flexed_biceps::face_with_steam_from_nose:

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No, actually being able to counter swap if the team needs it

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6v6 role queue was originally the primary OW1 format, but escalating queue wait times is what ultimately doomed 6v6 RQ in favor of 5v5 RQ. Unfortunately the only possible fix is for more players to actively play tanks, but given how miserable that experience tends to be, that fix is not coming any time soon. 6v6 role queue is still accessible via private lobbies, but 6v6 RQ should be added to arcade so that random PUG’s can still participate.

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I think there should just be dedicated open queue and role queue modes for 5v5 and 6v6. I know queue times are a concern, but personally I think a queue should just be allowed to die out if that’s how it happens. There’s modes in TF2 that a minority of players queue for and I’m happy they have that option.

I’m surprised how tank duos work with the new tanks. I thought they’d be overpowered or even underpowered, but they seem to fit like a glove. Like Rein and JQ playing to each others strengths.

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6v6 can’t work with RQ, because requiring the same number of players in every match for the least popular role (tank) as the other two roles can only result in either unacceptably long queue times or terrible matchmaking. There’s no middle ground without more tank players.

RQ is what wrecked everything in OW1 and made it necessary to move to 5v5. A decent amount of people are willing to play tank when needed in OQ, but very few are willing to queue specifically for tank while not being able to swap.

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