5v5 is not as dynamic as 6v6

After playing the game through the betas, and now after completing the first season battle pass, I want to give my opinions on the new 5v5 format. I might be in the minority on this, and may get flamed for this take… but sorry not sorry, 5v5 is not as dynamic as 6v6, therefore not as fun.

You might be asking… what does that mean, it’s not as dynamic? Let me try to give some examples of what I mean.

  • In 5v5 there is one less tank to peel for supports that need help. This means that a dps needs to peel, which is something dps do not want to do, and let’s be honest they will never learn to properly fulfill this new duty. When 1 dps does need to peel to go help, this means less synergy between 2 dps heroes on the same team.

  • The above point also means that with 1 less tank, there is no longer any tank synergy, since according to the comp gameplay, 2 tanks can not be used. Former off-tank players do not get to play quite the same way. Don’t get me wrong, a D.va and Winston can still dive, but to do so runs the risk of opening their team up to a team wipe. This is less fun, and really puts too much pressure on former off-tank. Also, even the main tanks must play differently and can not be as aggressive without the aid of a backup tank to support them and peel for healers. The days of a Zarya/D.va nerf combo are unfortunately behind us. If any enemy team goes with a widow, it’s like a boring predetermined chess match… a dps on your team must go widow/hanzo to counter that widow. This is less dynamic (previously, a tank could go dive that widow) because it’s simply a case of If A, then your team must do B.

  • In wanting to create a system that was less reliant on metas, 5v5 actually encourages more metas than 6v6. In this way I feel 5v5 is somewhat detrimental to the game, and not as dynamic as 6v6. In the current 5v5 format the game basically becomes simply for healers to keep their tank up. Every game is pretty much the same, and there is less unexpected chaos happening. Less synergy. Less dynamic gameplay. In open queue formats… if one team goes with 2 or 3 tanks, pretty much the only way for the other team to overcome that, is to go with 2 or 3 tanks themselves. In 6v6, while it may have been rare… there were absolutely times where 5 dps and a healer could have beaten a 2-2-2 setup. That is dynamic gameplay, and that is more fun that some unexpected setups could prevail. The chances of non-meta comps overcoming the 5v5 metas seem to be lower percentage chance of success. 6v6 simply allowed more freedom, more dynamic gameplay, and therefore more fun gameplay with unexpected surprises. In 5v5, there really are no surprises. Also things snowball out of control. In 5v5, if a team is winning, the vast majority of the time they continue winning, and the other team will not be able to overcome the fight. This is less fun than 6v6.

  • Less room for failure. If someone messes up their role, there is 1 less person to back them up, therefore it’s pretty much a guaranteed lost fight. This touches into the snowball effect I just mentioned as well. Typically if 1 person on your team is a weak link, unfortunately it’s obvious that your team is simply not going to overcome the other team. It’s quite obvious within 1 or 2 minutes which team is the superior team, and it’s obvious a match is over when there is still a lot of the match left. This is discouraging and less fun (to know that a match is already over) than 6v6… in 6v6, there was room for some unexpected surprising gameplay to emerge, and therefore in OW1 a fight was never truly over. There is less of this experience in OW2.

I’m probably overlooking some of the other reasons I had, but I’ll add them to this post when I think of them. Again I know I may be flamed for this, but this is my opinion of 5v5 vs 6v6, and I just think 6v6 is superior. It allows more creative & dynamic gameplay, and more room for failure, more chances for surprises to emerge, and therefore it is more fun than the 5v5 experience.

I’m really hoping they open up a 6v6 arcade option in the future. If they want comp to stay 5v5, that is their prerogative, since they want to balance the game around that type of less dynamic gameplay. They seem to want to balance the game around gameplay with less surprises… they want things to be predictable apparently. But for those who prefer the creative & surprising aspect of 6v6, I hope they introduce an option.

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Wow I totally related to this. A shame I found it after I authored my own thoughts (here: 6v6 was better (hero design, map design, giga tanks, CC)).

I agree wholeheartedly. I’m a bit discouraged to see the lack of replies on your post.

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Problem is that stats and roles have not been adjusted to a 5v5.

Doomfist as a solo tank? He is a brawler. Not a tank. He is not viable in a 1 tank setting unless you are a one-trick.

Tanks still heavily rely on damage rather than on being an actual tank? No wonder Orisa or Ram just constantly walk right into your face and try to deal damage instead of mitigating damage for their team, start engages, or protect the objective. Heroes like Orisa just aren’t made for playing the tank role. Orisa is a DPS with too many hitpoints and armor.

Your tank perma debuffed by a Zen or CC’ed like crazy by a JR? Good luck trying to soak damage or peel.

DPS that wipe supports in no time? No way to protect the team if you die like a fly constantly and your only tank is trying to brawl somewhere on the map.

It is basically like if you would remove one Bishop from a chess game but leave everything else untouched and now think that the game will be the same as before.

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I will stand with this and bump the thread, time to bring back 6v6 / OW1 again!

Blizzard, bring back this c`mon… Hurry up…

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I agree with everything you said.

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BUMP THREAD!

Keep on-going protests against 5v5…

Blizzard, you need to wake up and bring 6v6 / ow1/classic back!

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How many times do we have to go over this? It’s been 6 months now, and y’all still complain lol. 6v6 is never coming back, and I for one am happy about that.

they’re never gonna bring 6v6 back.

That would be them going back on all the changes they made and admitting fault. Theyre never gonna admit 6v6 was superior

Even though the original game was desgined for 6v6, they just. dont. care.

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Both of you’re just bored players for 5v5 is like a deathmatch and call of duty makes you empty feel complete and no teamwork, less required skills. rofl…

No… 6v6 will come back, keep playing OW2 and players is dying coming soon.

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I agree on the fact the 5v5 is not as dynamic as 6v6, but in the opposite sense of yours. Indeed I find 5v5 is way more dynamic that 6v6.

Meh… Let me adjust your comment: I agree on that fact the 6v6 is not as dynamic as 5v5, but in the opposite sense of yours. Indeed I find 6v6 is way more dynamic that 5v5. ROFL…

Don’t try judge at first thread. OW2 and 5v5 is way crap and trash.

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I actually didn’t read the whole thread, but I supposed that the he was trying to say that for him 5v5 is slower and less dynamic than 6v6. Did I take the wrong assumption?

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No I didn’t. So your correction is pretty dumb, you should have also corrected the part where I say that my vision of the thing is the opposite of his vision. At least it would had been more clear that you didn’t want to bring anything to the thread if not your whine. At least you laughed rolling on the floor, good for you.

Correct how much do you want and anything you want, but for how much I respect the opinion of the creator of the discussion and his good points, I can’t see how 6v6 can be felt more dynamic that 5v5. I can agree on the fact that it was more open regarding some creative gameplay, but it was nothing like dynamic.

Meh, your reply and opinion are completely a joke… 5v5 is a dumb joke.

I hardly laughed at what you’re trying to judge… 5v5 is completely a joke and trash, make that you just have no teamwork and are without skills. It’s rush a match and when you kill one tank and overwhelmed enemies completely easier and win… Feel just that was referring to like Call of Duty gameplay.

In my opinion, 6v6 was more superior and stable.

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5v5 & OW2 = will be officially dead later in a couple of months or until December 2023.

Just wait until you’re regretful yourself.

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