5v5 is like: your enemy team’s tank counterswap, your’s doesnt, you lose.
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Whereas in 6v6 your enemies’ tanks had synergy with their picks and yours didn’t, you lose.
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Amen. I think people forget how terrible it was to hope that your tanks
a) worked together
b) had synergy
Otherwise you needed to hope that the enemy was as confused as you was. This made tank duos much stronger than any other duo combination, also, leading to 3 solos and 1 duo on each side, could have DRASTIC different impact.
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That’s because of the two categories of tanks (off and main tank) which needs to not be a thing if 6v6 were to ever come back.
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Yes, in any competitive scenario players plays atleast 3 tanks and practice on them.
I open with Mauga - if they have zarya I swap.
If they don’t have zarya - then they go zarya until then I have made significant advance. And now I go Rein - enemy team either goes orissa or ram.
Now I can either go back to Mauga or play zarya.
All there heroes counter every tank.
So counter swap does not matter to me.
Right now most players want to play only 1 tank and only that. Now that is exactly why 5v5 was Introduced.
As a tank I have many setup and plays and I don’t feel held hostage by team comp other than getting placed with bad team mates. That is an L from the start.
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I believe the lack of synergy is more forgiving then not having any tank at all
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Considering the player count has risen considerably since the release of OW2, I’d say you’re wrong.
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Strongly disagree. 2 tanks with no synergy and no headshot or ult charge reduction passives fed so much more ult charge that snowballing bad tank comps was just as easy as a bad tank pick in 5v5, if not easier.
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That would be an instant report, game play sabotage. Mauga is the worse tank in game right now.
I really do hate how easy it is to make Cardiac Overdrive’s Lifesteal get zero value. Just put Matrix up or a Barrier for 3 seconds and Mauga’s dead.
They need to make Mauga’s Lifesteal a set amount of healing over time, no more Lifesteal. They also should put a limit to how long you can hold down M1 + M2 at the same time.
This game was built around team composition and how characters can synergize, the solution to ow1 tank issues was never deleting a tank… All they had to do was nerf barriers and stuns and the role would have been completely fine…
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This wasn’t even slightly true below masters. You could one trick a tank just fine in OW. Yes picking a good combo made it easier but that’s entirely different then being completely shut down like in OW2.
You could even be carried as tank if you were having an off game! Imagine that.
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People often picked a main tank and an off tank/dive tank. Those had no synergy and it worked perfectly.
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A team game requiring team work and skill to win is, I can’t even put it into numbers, like 120000000000000000000000000000000000000x better than this caveman garbage we have now of:
“Me lose one fight! ok me go spawn and click h! me win fight now because me hero counter they hero! me am good player!”
It’s the single most braindead low effort gameplay that this game promotes.
6v6 is far and away, I’d even say OBJECTIVELY better for overwatch than 5v5 is. 5v5 has unsolvable format issues. 6v6 had balance issues.
This game will never improve in 5v5. The tank gameplay loop will NEVER improve in 5v5. There is no solving tanks feeling miserable to play. There is no solving counterswapping the enemy tank being too effective. This is NEVER going away and it will continue to run this game into the ground.
We’ve already seen the signs of it and the complete lack of tank players.
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A free to play game is going to have a higher player base than a game that was pay 2 play regardless of what kind of slop it is
Also we don’t know the true player count
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Who would’ve guessed…
The F2P game got more players than the game that was $30 and abandoned for 3 years.
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It’s shocking, I know.
is not just the enemy tank counterswaping… the best strategy is pick like 3 or 4 counters of the enemy tank and dont let him play the game.
ill take that over 1 tank slot. at least with 2 you had a chance 1 wasn’t a bot. still worked.
tank synergy wasnt much of a problem that you think it is. OW1 needed a handful of heroes to be nerfed (sigma, orisa, bap, brig, and mccree for example) and the game would’ve been fine. but nope
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