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To get put in a game where both my tanks are level 25-50 and dont know wtf they are doing

In a diamond - masters game!!!

EJJ1FA - blue team if anyone wants to watch 2 braindead scrubs have no clue what theyre doing ruining high ranked games

FIX YOUR FREAKING MATCHMAKING
STOP LETTING L 25 PLAYERS PLAY COMP
RAISE COMP REQUIREMENT TO L 100

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my guess is that they are diamond/masters on dps and play tank for priority passes

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Okay. Give Tanks playstyles that are desirable to existing DPS players.

Particularly when it comes to compositions that aren’t DoubleOffTank.

Blizzard can’t just create Tank players out of nowhere.

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What!!! Thats the opposite of what we should be doing. We should be making more people enjoy tank who enjoy tanking, not making tanks for people who enjoy dps’ing. What ludicrous notion is this.

People who like tanking, enjoy being beefy (hard to kill), being the protector of the team, being the front line who everyone else follows. We DONT need more dps tanks who can run off by themselves and get solo kills like hog. Those kinds of tanks ruin the game and give bad players ways to throw games

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So you want less Tank players, but better Tank matchmaking?

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The game wouldnt have lost tank players if they didnt keep turning them into dps. I know myself and countless other tank players left as soon as they started nerfing barriers and tankiness.

I used to play tank, orisa, sigma, winston. since theyve been gutted im Never touching them again.

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I just want my Tank defenses… back.

I want 4 second defense matrix :frowning:

Impossible now… but man… I miss it.

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Last I checked, revisionist history isn’t really a great foundation for game design.

Especially the bizarre idea that Tanking was ever popular.

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Tanking has NEVER been popular. So why try now?

That’s why it was usually 5 DPS in open que and 1 support.

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This ^
tanks have lost the appeal of tankiness in exchange for more damage which no one wants. Dps players havent flocked to play tank so stop making tanks fat dps. We want durable tanks that can protect the team NOT paper thin barriers and the feeling of helplessness because your team have died

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Because the game is gonna get strangled to death by bad queue times.

Which basically boils down to either

  • A: Make Tanks be enjoyable to DPS players
  • B: Disband Role Queue, but still have a maximum of 2Tanks/2Healers per team
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Why? Tank and support player dont suffer from long queue times?

Only people that do are dps. Its a case of ‘youve made your bed now lie in it’

We wouldnt be in this position if they didnt keep gutting tanks, actively driving tank players off their favourite heroes.

Im willing to bet more tank players play dps now, than dps players play tank

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Because “watching the game dies in a fire” shouldn’t be an option.

If anything, those players, should be ignored and let to quit the game.

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Theyve been trying to do this for years and all its done is make tanks players start playing dps or quit.

Never gonna happen, because that undermines the whole point of the role queue. To make games more consistent. With your suggestion 6 dps is a possibility again which is why it was introduced to begin with

The whole ‘Ow2 tanks being brawlers’ thing is never gonna work. All its gonna do is further drive tank players off tanks to other roles or games. Dps player will still only play dps because thats what they do.

Dont even know why you would want to make people play roles they dont want to play.
DPS DONT WANT TO PLAY TANKS. SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE THEM. INSTEAD FOCUS ON MAKING YOUR CURRENT TANK PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY THEM

Its that bloody simple. Theres way too much pandering to dps players in this game. Every freaking thing has to be held back for their sakes. Only thing against them has been role queue but since then every change has been to make their lives easier.

‘Oh you dont like long queue times, have priority pass. Oh tanks are getting in the way of your team kills, lets gut them. Whats that? People are being healed, thus stealing your kills! nerf the supports’

While mccree literally be reload rolling, shield melting, tank stunning, machine gunning, 1 shotting, 225hp tanking, counter countering, anti-flanking, mid range sniping.

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I’d argue they’ve barely done anything in that direction besides buffing Rein damage.

Because there’s so few tank players, that increasing a small number, isn’t going to make much of a dent in queue times.

Where as moving a DPS player to be a Tank player, both subtracts from DPS players, and adds to Tank players.

So much so that converting even 1% of DPS players to Tank, would be comparable to increasing Tank playtime by 20%.

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There have NEVER been enough tank players to satisfy the demand of them. I love the role, but this is utter nonsense. People don’t like playing tank because they simply don’t like the role. Even if you made them fat DPS or hard peelers, people still wouldn’t play the role. The best we can do is minimize how many people don’t play it, but there will always be less tanks than people want, unless they go for 1/3/2.

Also,
Orisa did get gutted, that’s right
Sigma is still really good, he’s just not busted
Winston literally hasn’t been nerfed, he’s actually part of the meta now

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Agreed, they could go the direction of “indirectly buffing” Tanks.

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As i said I used to play tank. Now i dont. So im an example of where blizzard has actively lost tank players through their balancing methods.

I used to love Orisa, 900hp barrier i miss u :heart:

Sigma was busted because he fills too many niches. He does too much but instead of addressing that theyve gutted every part of his hero. So YES, he may be balanced but he is not longer fun to play. Stupid 2 sec shield cooldown, 700hp. Stunned out of ult, grasp etc. Rock had a fixed stun. All of his kit has been gutted.

I dont know how to tell you hun. But winstons dead. He died in 2017 with dive. He aint meta. Rein, zarya is. Sorry for the bad news

There was a player above that liked old dva with her better defense matrix.

It all adds up to a loss of players, a loss of tank players. As i said above 100% the game has lost more tank players than gained.

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  1. One example doesn’t show a trend. I played back before RQ, there were never tanks. The only games I played with 2 tanks were me (a tank player) and a buddy of mine (another tank player). Otherwise, it was solo tank. Jeff even said the most common team comp pre RQ was 1/3/2 (that was why that was the experimental mode). There were never enough tanks to keep up with the demand, whether that be 2 tanks, or 3 tanks (GOATS).
  2. Fun is subjective. I find sigma way more fun now that I have to actually try to get value out of him, as opposed to just existing.
  3. I mean, Winston is meta with GOOD players, mainly OWL and the Asian region. Just because some plat can’t play winston without feeding, doesn’t mean he’s not good.
  4. I played old Dva, as she’s my favorite hero. She was busted, and 15M DM with no CD was awful. I loved having the CD come in so bad Dva’s couldn’t get value by existing. Dva is good right now, people just try to play her like Zarya and int their brains out. Actual Dva players can play her and do fine.
  5. Even if the game did lose more tank players than it gained, it never had enough to begin with. If you need 100 players and started with 25, it doesn’t really matter if you’re at 15 now, you were never even close to your goal.
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Or just make mccree 200hp again and give him his weakness of being squishy back

Mei being a tank wouldnt happen in an experimental. OW2 at the earliest

Cooldown on fth by itself does nothing to solve mccrees problems. Do mccrees even use fth multiple time that often??? He needs bigger nerfs to bring him down.

Hanzo needs storm arrows gutted and his regular arrows buffed. So hes … actually a sniper.

Ana, if this is a nerf, no. If this is a buff, yes. The range shouldnt be nerfed. If anything the duration should.

Bap is fine.

Yes to brig change.

Tank changes are too strong. 30% resistance to kb and stun. 0 hs reduction