Everyone, go to Youtube type in UNRANKED TO GM. Now pick a video. Now watch these T500 or even T100 players land an unranked account into Plat or Diamond.
I could name at least (10) T100 players that create a series like this and place in Diamond or even lower. Guys, Blizz, we are talking about a 1500 SR swing in actual skill. If the system works so well how in the FreaK can a T100 player land in MID diamond. That’s like putting Pat Mahomes on a highschool football team.
Example:
Kabaji on tracer unranked to GM he placed 3304 T100 Tracer in NA
ChroNoDotA on Sigma - Pro Player in Contenders placed 3171
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It just starts you there. The SR system is jank and far from perfect. But that is just to prevent new accounts from… Being boosted? I guess.
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Because placement are just part of the process? Especially today when it’s only 5 games…
I’ll agree that maybe they should find a way to accelerate that a bit.
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The game would rather let you start off too low than start off too high.
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I hope someone can explain the system to me, from my experience it seems placement matches are not less or more important to how you are matched than any other match. That’s because it seems that when you do placement matches it remembers your previous rank from previous seasons which defeats the purpose.
I mean it makes sense to not place someone in masters after only a couple games, it should be a slow process because consistency separates good and mediocre players. Ideally during placement matches your previous rank is mostly wiped from consideration, and in turn, you have to do more placement matches, at least 20.
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No it actually starts everyone at 2500 for their first time placing. So wrecking face in your 5 placement matches can get you as high as 3304 apparently. It also means players probably can’t place below silver their first time either. It’s a completely broken system since they have hundreds of games’ worth of stats (can’t place until level 25), and they just throw it all out the window and start everyone at the same place.
So it’s starting more people too high than too low, since 2500 is above the median SR.
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Yea, the placement system is trash. But they only have a sample size of five, which makes things tough as well. That doesn’t mean this god-awful system cannot be improved. Maybe try using better predictive algorithms based on QP/arcade/other comp role performance. I was shocked to see Kabaji place gold as a tank IN AN ACCOUNT THAT ALREADY HAD GM AS A HEALER then tear through the ranks, leaving so many helpless golds, plats, diamonds, and masters in the dust. What a trash system conceived by clueless people…
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Because it wouldn’t make sense to allow you to simply place Masters/GM on a new account. You should have to earn a high rank by proving you’re good enough to climb… Not earn a low rank by proving you’re bad enough to fall… The game can only pull so much info from placements
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From the dozens of Unranked to GM that I saw, it always starts at mid gold, not plat. And that exactly the average playerbase rank.
- I’m talking about the team average SR on the first play on new account.
I was going to ask for a source, but I know for a fact that you’re just speculating/making stuff up. People can and do end up in Bronze after placements. People cannot end up in Masters/GM after placements.
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Probably based on the rule of the exception - 99 normal players go through the process, they sporadically place from gold to diamond, and one person from t500 comes in for a fresh account, places diamond.
loosen those up, and some of the main lump place into masters based off of a few games where they might have done particularly well, and they just lose from there on plummeting to the correct rank.
It’s an attempt to screw it up 1% of the time rather than 25+%.
To a point I can respect that, but I’m also looking for a solution, but I get it.
Guys Guys GUYS!!!
You’re killing me.
Let me try to create an example:
Say you are a Senior in High school, that’s 12th grade. Your parents move for work and you are forced to enroll into a new school. Part of that enrollment process you have to take a placement test to ensure that you are at the same level or higher than the other students in that grade at that school.
Let’s say that the average test score for 12th graders in the new school is 1500/2000 and you come in and score 1900.
Now imagine they tell you you have to be a freshman again even though you are at a higher level than everyone else in the same grade.
That’s actually blizzard forcing smurfing. Now, whoever has Kabaji on their team has a significantly higher chance of winning because in reality, he is NOT 3204 he’s 4600. The kids on the opposing team will lose SR because they are not at that level and the kids that won the game didn’t deserve it. Because the game wasn’t fair when it started.
If Blizzard cannot recognize the difference between a 4600 and a 3200 something needs to change.
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Because they’re playing arcade to level the accounts up, which means the matchmaking system doesn’t have any data to pull from with quickplay.
I’m pretty sure everyone gets it. We all understand why it sucks the way it is.
BUT we also understand why it is the way it is.
At this point unless you’re offering solutions that don’t require rebuilding the matchmaker again then it’s not helpful - we already get it.
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I dont even know how to respond to this.
When a MAN gets 71% to 90% Kill Participation every game on tracer with 20K dmg plus on average and is on fire 80% of the time. SR ALARM BELLS should be going off.
Now compare those stats of Kabaji to Player at 3300, 3500, 3700 4k, 4200 ect…
Where does his fit in? NOT IN DIAMOND.
This is not hard boys, this is not a debate in anyway, this is the smoking gun that the system is bullsh@t.
A buddy of mine who has been a 4200 to 4400 hanzo main since S2 has been stuck in mid masters on his MAIN account for weeks and weeks. He bought a new account and is right back to 4300 in less than 15 hours.
Something is just not right.
If the system doesn’t have any data to pull from, which is 25 lvls if you lvled to 25 through quickplay instead of arcade, then it’s obviously not going to be correct. Playing arcade to lvl 25 means you don’t have any quickplay data it can pull from.
It means you find objection to something we also find objection in aswell, but do you NOT understand WHY IT IS THE WAY IT IS?
Once you answer that you will be exactly like the rest of us.
It is impossible to place in Masters there is an unfortunate ceiling and floor cap for placements. I do agree it is a serious issue tho for how low top 500 can place.
Not they are not, huge amount of them played regularly in QP.
It’s a myth that it’s impact Comp MMR at all, even on a new account.