Why would anyone pick Azmodan?

Your trademark emoji isn’t exactly the best display of sincerity though :expressionless:

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His macro is far worse than basically every other macro Hero in the game, though. He is the pre-rework Gazlowe of HotS now. Basically inting if you pick him.

As asmo on certain maps, such as towers of doom, i can build with the minions to take a fort from full health to no health in about 7 seconds… WHILE I WALK TO THE NEXT FORT.

this is insanely powerful if your opponents cant gank you enough, you can easily win the game on your own when you can build demons and take a full core in 2 pushes. name another character that can run it down like azmo, and ill raise you again with my favorite build.

Hmm… These two things don’t compute.

Ask procraft, he’s like a ranged fat butcher, but better.

Hmm… These two things don’t compute.

i meant in 2 different scenarios he can be good, clearly, (but hes better when lane is short)

If you want a Hero that can shove in waves and take a core fast, there’s plenty that do it better than him. TLV, Rexxar, Xul, Murky are all infinitely better at lane pressure and provide waaaay more in teamfights.

The fact you legitimately think Murky can maintain a lane better then azmo has me thinking you don’t know whaty ou’re talking about.

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all the ones you mentioned take much more time though, and thats the difference. with a demon build, i can walk up to a keep, start lazering the keep till i get done and spawn a demon with level 16 talent, and summon a w at the same time, so 2 demons that each get 100% damage bonus. i already have talents that give them 25% more armor and 25% more health so 156% tougher. next i cast a D and i q the enemy minion wave and hit fort same time. by that time my quest done so wave boom. lastly i can cast r on the fort and walk away. i dont even need any wave to take it if walls are down, by time team comes to defend i got it and most of the next one.

you think those other lane people can do @#$%, but they rely 100% on a minion wave to push. Azmo makes his own efn wave. and takes it in 10 seconds.

Yea when ppl make dumb statements like “ picking hero is trolling” “x hero is the worst hero” “x hero should never be picked” ppl are going to disagree. Especially on a hero like azmodan who has a few build paths that actually have strong winrates. At the end of the day this is just a game and only a handful of ppl bother to min max. Not to mention that we dont have great data, everyone misinterprets data, and personal biases warp people’s opinion.

Good statement: Azmodan could use some buffs hes below avg rn.

Silly statement: whatever that original comment was. Tho i took it more as a rant than any segway into a debate which is why im not responding to it. Yes lower ranked azmodans suck and are trolls, but that pretty much describes the way any hero is played in gold/lower.

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azmo does need a little more teamfight power, just a little, or just a way to escape or block people diving him. but if you arent teamfighting (correct way to play azmo) you can take everything from the enemy.

this means gold and below he can be very strong. im platinum so i dont really rely on him much, but if i play below my rank, im going to 60% winrate azmo as always.

Azmodan can teamfight just fine. Splitpushing at key moments is the correct way to play him, but he can and should join teamfights at his power spikes just like every other hero.

You are never gonna be in the position to ‘take a Core in 2 waves’ because Azmo’s teamfighting ability is below Support level, so your team is always gonna be behind.

So what is this magical build?

Come on and tell us :smiling_imp:

The critical issue with Azmodan is his stacks, kinda like Butcher. If you, as a team, coordinate with Azmodan to get his stacks, he is going to be an absolutely brutal mage - In theory, you could have Azmodan fully stacked by the 5 minute mark. In practice, it’s generally around the 8 minute mark. But once you can do this, Azmodan can basically carry - A boosted Globe can nail squishies for nearly 50% of their health at that point, and if you aren’t fighting Azmo will paint the entire map blue for you.

But again, it’s completely reliant on Azmodan’s team feeding him stacks as fast as possible. It’s really a shame what they did with his rework - At least before Azmodan could get stuff done on his own. Now he just can’t.

Azmodan is a stat padding monster, so if you’re prone to blaming your team for whatever reason, you can use Azmodan to leverage that. Laser also does massive damage to immobile targets such as structures and bronze players.

As someone who was once a one-trick Azmo (got to diamond for the first time using only him), Chromie, at the moment, is leaps and bounds better. The “re-work” (or super nerf as I like to call it) back in late 2017, REALLY hurt Azmo badly.

Previously, he could literally just push a hero like Illidan out of lane by chasing him, the range and longevity of his summons was so much greater than it is now, and at level 20, it was possible to straight up punch a Zeratul to death if he was stupid enough to fight you in your Black Pool.

At the moment, Chromie has by FAR superior damage. And don’t even think for a second that Azmo having little more than 1000hp over Chromie means he has better survivability than Chromie-- who can double or possibly triple stasis, if she absolutely has to.

The only thing Azmo has going for him is the easier rate of exp gain, which is largely thanks to the Lutenient of Hell, who frankly isn’t going to do much in a real fight.

But if he ends up with the most xp, siege and hero damage on your team you’ll say the same thing?

Stat farming doesn’t indicate the most useful person on the team (regardless of what the MVP screen says, as it heavily favors heroes with 0 deaths, which will often be Abathur or Azmodan due to low physical risk).

Garrosh may not even show up on the MVP screen (and his siege, hero damage, and damage taken due to armor is often very low)
but he might have performed game deciding taunts or wrecking balls.

I have nothing against Azmodan though. But I do sometimes wish his W ability was a bit more useful, even fully talented Demon Warriors are a bit underwhelming unless the lane he spawns them on is completely empty.

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Yes, because most games I had with an Azmodan on my team were losses. When they weren’t , the game was a total stomp. The enemy team was bad and pushes were ignored. So we likely would have won no matter which hero the player had picked.

Being ignored is pretty much the only way Azmodan can get anything done.

I mean, I always MVP when I play Ragnaros. And I don’t think Ragnaros is great, or that I’m that good playing him.

Hey at least they don’t cost a million mana anymore. And you can cast it during all shall burn.