Could you please elaborate (that means explain) how they ruined whitemane ? what exactly was taken away ? Seems to me (I know because I played her on the Live server before the PTR, I’m sure thats something you did right ?) and it seems to me that they gave her a mechanic for more mana, and and to make her healing more effective. But thats just me…
Please, read comments.
I no not what crazy circumstance that crapshoot of a build would be useful but okay I’ll take your word for it
Not sure if you read over it but that is basically exactly what I said when I wrote:
Yep, it was also a way to reset it out of fights, I didn’t state that precisely, I guess. Her out of combat healing was always terrible though and still is, which is fine to me (similar to how Malf can’t really heal outside of teamfights).
As I mentioned in my post, using your Inquisition puts you into a vulernable position, so relying entirely on your own slow (and/ or root later on) is very dangerous at a higher level. The slow of Inquisition stops as soon as it gets interrupted/ cancelled, so at best it is a guaranteed bonus damage to the first hit of one of your E’s. And again you couldn’t take the level 1 E talent consistently since it was much safer to have an (out of fight) reset option on allies for the mandatory High Inquisitor on level 4… Aside from that Inquisition is on a 14 second cooldown, so if you only rely on that form of your own cc you won’t get a lot of value from the Searing Lash that has less than half that cooldown.
Well yes, but if you want to maximize your healing-numbers you should be using the damage and passive heal of Inquisition not only for the Desperation-resets but also make use of as much healing it can provide IF possible, since it has such a long cooldown. Especially paired with Fanatical Power you would not have wanted to waste it - and now with the emphasis on auto attacks it will feel way less punishing to break it yourself, since you can provide decent healing with auto attacks as well (if specced into it) - you get what I mean?
Also the problem with Fanatical Power always was that it provided her with quite a ridiculous mount of possible damage paired with her Divine Reckoning ult. I really liked the talent honestly, but I can imagine that it can easily make her damage numbers too high.
As I said in my earlier post, both Intercession and Fanatical Power had its uses, while Fanatical was overall a bit stronger of an option since with the increased damage you could save a target similarily to how Intercession worked - with the exceptions of some heavy-combo oriented enemy heroes/ comps like Kel’Thuzad for example, or a well-executed cc-chain, where Intercession was more useful imo. But the 60 second cooldown always felt a bit too high - compare it with the Cleanse that Rehgar has on level 7, that also is on a 60s cooldown but doesn’t have any downsides like Intercession has with the extra Desperation stack it adds. Zealous Spirit was never on the same level to me, since you shouldn’t find yourself in a situation where you needed that extra Zeal for yourself. With Inquisition’s reset on Desperation it was rather easy to stack Zeal on everyone who needed it, including yourself (especially when picking up Scarlet Aegis it wasn’t really needed, imo).
Now since everybody seems to be complaining about the Searing Lash nerf - we finally have the option to pick “anything” on level 1, and they significantly buffed Righteous Flame - while they nerfed Searing Lash baseline (from 82 damage to 75 (roughly 9%) and the range from 8.5 to 8 - which is about a 7% nerf in range) you get a 25% damage increase on it with that talent now (from 75 to 93). That bonus damage goes up to 50% (instead of 75%) since the damage output is stronger with that talent without hitting cc’d enemies already.
I will try to get some more games in on the PTR to further test her new builds, but the wait times are insane obviously; for now it looks like the new AA build seems superior, and the damage reduction on W through Subjugation and Shared Punishment comes online a lot earlier and might therefore be way more useful.
It just really annoys me that people already claim that Whitemane got “destroyed” and is “useless” now, before they even test the changes at all.
What are you talking about, I never said that Whitemanes mana juggling was punishing “mid old game”, whatever you mean by that. And I never said that Inquisition can not be cancelled. Maybe you should read my post again, buddy.
How is Inquisition a defensive play in 75% of all cases? Again, not getting what you’re talking about. In a team fight it is a very offensive move to target an enemy with it and root yourself for a longer amount of time - yes you can instantly interrupt it and just use it to reset your mana, but you wouldve missed out on a lot of healing, especially when taking Fanatical Power on 7, if you always interrupt it immediately.
Very fast fights where everyone basically throws everything away hoping to kill something and then run. You would put your Zeal quickly on everyone, triggering the talent that heals all zeal targets at three charges of desperation, achieving a good healing on 3 out of 5 allies. Something enemy healer probably can’t compete with.
So Bronze league basically. Could her other builds do the same but better? Yes. Could other healers do the same? Yea, Rehgar could, for example.
The point is, there was a point were Q could work, and in general gameplay it was… The worst option but still not essentially throwing.
Idk I’m kind of trying to defend the undefendable here, since the general concept is that Q build is garbage, but in my experience it can be useful in very specific and rare situations.
Bronze league is hwere people find twin blades varina, butcher and qhira and Li Li intimidating to fight, ou’ll forgive me for not giving a dam
That’s why they have better winrates outside of that rank.
Another topic author making a rant and leaving the forums… meh
Not even bothered to read comments about good or bad, mightaswell not make a rant post if your just gonna leave it laying there.
As for me who barrely touched WM, i look at the rework in a positive manner, but i can understand the frustration from veteran WM players.
From my PoV W was the only build i could manage to play, mostly because of my lack of skill as WM, quite glad to see the whole mana rotation or atleast as i understand it go away.
That was one of those things that steered me away from her in the first place, yet one of those things that made her unique.
Hey! Easy there! Bronze is where I belong.
Jokes aside, noone gives a damn about Bronze but I play in Plat (don’t know why Blizz put me there tbh) and I could sometimes use it. Like in 1/800 games but yeah.
I’m in gold and not sure why I’m here and not bronze but I am, honestly the point I’m making is that Bronze is a place where a lot of things are usable and even feared that really shouldn’t be, like Li Li, she’s considered a super potent healer and even ban worthy in that rank (not that she can’t be terrifying in the right comp, a team silly enough to put most of their DPS eggs into a tracer basket and then see a li li pick is gonna struggle.
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Yeah anyone would want to stay and be insulted by basement fatties with big egos. 
I guess he probably needed to vent his frustration about the changes. 