lel, People would still flip their lids. There were people in the thread about the Toys event saying it was a “corporate plot to make everyone a soy boy”…or some such nonsense.
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The Tracer Kid? 
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Which she loses on death. Assuming you even get to 15 kills without dying. Her range for an AA is quite abysmal, you might as well be melee.
Her range is so abysmal that you can’t even get close to Sgt. Hammer.
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Why are you drafting tracer into a heavy aa hero?
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Tracer is not only bad against heavy AA.
Tracer used to be excellent against wizards, but everyone except KTZ has ways of dealing with her. Jaina, KT, Cromi, Nova, Li-Ming.
They have talents to return the life of Tracer a hell.
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The only mage tracer has issues with is keal as he has point and click damage that he will always have a charge up. Jaina has long cd and slow moving skill shots. Mehp you can dodge, guldan you can dodge, orpha has to get even closer. Kt has a point and click ult that you can dodge. That and if he takes the empowered aa at 7 he should never touch you. So which mages do well against tracer?
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KT has exactly 1 basic ability that is point and click and that is living bomb. He other point and click as you would say is his Pyro Ult. Otherwise all his abilities are skill shots. Playing Tracer I don’t find it difficult to avoid kiting a KT and dodging a Flamestrike.
My point was not that keal is an issue, it was he is the only mage that can reliable deal damage to tracer as his is point and click. The only other mage that can reliably deal damage to tracer is kt, with his inpowered aa he can take at 7. All of the other mages tracer can avoid thier skill shots or get out of thier range easily.
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Jaina has instant abilities that Tracer cannot dodge. You use her talent to freeze enemies that attack her at level 4, then use E + Q and take more than half. And with her talent 7 to double the damage against frozen enemies you kill her easily in 1v1, with block of ice you block the bomb and with water elemental practically Jaina is Tracer’s counter. Jaina doesn’t even need to land the W.
His short CD skills make Tracer need to spend all his jumps to dodge them and leave her without mobility. Guldan can get rid of Tracer with his steal of life and his E forces her to use her recall. Horrified is also an instant ability and Tracer cannot dodge it.
Orphea has moderately strong basic attacks, so she can trade with her, but if Orphea has enhanced AA damage, it deals a lot of damage to Tracer.
True.
LenaOxton beat me too it, I’ll add Li-Ming to the list. She can talent for Calamity and do quite reliable damage vs Tracer.
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You do know tracers aa range is further then cone of colds range. That is her only instant ability. Her q has a travel time, if you are running in a straight line you deserve to be hit by it. Blizzard has a delay before the 1st wave and inbetween the wave. I mean water elly at 20, techincally could cast e point blank at you. At 10 it can slow you, but honestly if you are being hit by jainas e, you are not playing tracer well.
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Yes, but she has to jump on you to do it. Which if you are drafting and playing tracer correclty means she just die. Her displacment ult has a delay and is avoidable.
Tracer is very weak, but if you are getting hit by skill shots from mages, you need to rethink your tracer game play. Rather thats when you go in and/ or when you are drafting her.
I am speaking strickly for draft as qm can do all kinds of wonky.
Don’t you think you exaggerate? Try to do it and tell me, and by the way it really has the same range.
Obviously you will not use the Q against a Tracer that is far away, you will use it when she approaches you to buy you with her W and R, and what happens if she does not? Well Tracer wouldn’t do anything to Jaina, genius.
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25% slow for 6 seconds to all targets that aa jaina (1/4 talents). I pick these often against a tracer then get water elemental. If she dives me i can kill her and then iceblock before pulsebomb goes off. Tracer really doesn’t HARD counter many mages except for maybe ktz… the rest have plenty of options to deal with her.
I will say though i think tracer’s in a similar spot to valla a year ago where she’s still fine if empowered. Give her a tass/zarya/morales and she can still pack a punch.
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Jainas e has a 10 second cd. If you are with in its range when its not on cd, you are doing something wrong. If she saves it for you. Congrats about 40% of jainas burst is now not being used in the team fight. So if she is saving it, she is basicly just q poke, if she doesnt, you have 10 seconds where the best ahe can do to you is aa
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You’re forgetting about both icy veins/shields on chill at 13. With the first i get it back faster and when you dive me i can root you/finish you off or i have used my e to root and finish off one of your teammates and now i have alot of shields so any dive you make is pointless.
Now this isnt saying that a good tracer cannot work around this but a good jaina can also use it to stay alive. Tracer doesnt stomp jaina by any means.
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Please, can we stop this 1v1 mentality and orient it to a team scenario.
Jaina would have multiple issues to focus Tracer and the enemy team diving the frontier, she either has to sacrifice ALL the damage on Tracer and recall/Blink out of it which is rather easy to do or puke it on the two main tank and let Tracer harass her, in that regard the healers need to peel off the damage from Tracer.
IDK where are people getting the idea that Tracer gets countered by mages, sure she is easier to deal with, makes perfect sense, but you are exaggerating to say that she cannot be countered by them.
Tracer is trash regardless if she ain’t being played in hypercarry focused and she has Illidan syndrome if anything, Mages are not problematic as they actually sound when you are hypercarrying.