To end unrealistic KTZ discussions

His burst potential nonwithstanding, giving him old 20 upgrade for free is beyond stupid. You get hit by a single CC from KTZ’s teammate anytime, anywhere on the map? You’re getting chunked. You want to play a hero that relies on channeled abilities or, god forbid, Ana or Hammer? Too bad, you die the moment you use those abilites; counters are fine but when you get hard countered by someone who’s across the map that’s just plain dumb. And not to speak about trying to cap objectives/mercs; as long as KTZ exists anywhere on the map these simple tasks are beyond painful.

You mean her baseline quest that gives her… Improved Ice Block and 0 damage increase?
Or did you mean the baseline 50% to follow up abilities?

I did the abilities wrong in my head, I do admit. I though it was only 40% for some reason, hence by “under 700”. When it is over that.

But I think I was pretty on point, given I Was doing it purely in my head.

Either way, here we go:
142 Blizzard → 330 [352] Cone of Cold → 276 [295] ice lance = 748 [789] damage.
Although in a more realistic burst opening you probably lead with Cone of Cold given it is “instant”. But that is based on my experince–and given I don’t main Jaina, and rarely play her I’m 100% willing to go for ideal damage.

At level 16 you can get an “Extra 20%” damage by talenting Cone of Cold, in which case you go:
220 +354 + 250 = 824

For KTZ, Barbed Chains seems to be by far the favored talent, so:
291 for chains + 346 for Nova + 616 for ultimate = 1253.

KTZ meanwhile, can get up to 30% spell power, although it wouldn’t increase the combo by 30%, I think it would be less. But it’s hard to tell.

So yeah, KTZ is a solid 50%+ higher burst than Jaina.
Actually more, given he has the target rooted, and that means damage can be piled on “for free” during that time, as the enemy cannot attempt to escape.

You’re free to use Jaina’s root talents to count extra waves of Blizzard I guess? But that requires getting into Cone of Cold Range… which is melee range. Which is already a massive cost to Jaina, for still not even getting equal burst.

It is my experience. When I see KTZ, unless it is me or a brawl, they’re normally very on point with combos.

I don’t have time to dig through replays–but the amount of times I’m been able to say “woohoo, enemy KTZ is bad” in QM or draft modes is sadly small. Same (happily) goes towards allied KTZ in those modes. I very rarely have complaints about allied KTZ players.

I lack the time to watch through replays and actually prove my point, however.