Tassadar role change

The thing about the protoss is everything they do is pretty much psionic; weapons, shields, khala links and so on are just harnessing psionic energies and applying it. Their technology is a supplement to the psionic matrix and acts as a buffer for their diminished populace: a sufficiently strong (or amplified) protoss can do the same thing any technological unit can do.

While High Templar are associated as being “mages”, their focus on psionic prowess allows them to charge/empower the crystals used in protoss power suits that grant shields – so indirectly, they shield units – and in starcraft 2 there’s a story chain that can upgrade High Templar for their psionic storms to shield allies, so there is a direct effect of them, as units, ‘support’ allies beyond just blowing stuff up.

With the successful development of the Purifiers to recreate former protoss, that can use psionics, the technological loop is complete so pretty much any protoss unit can be compiled to another a given character name, and make them into a ‘support’ character.

A lot of suggestions may focus on choosing non-combatant characters – such as karax or rohana – because they don’t have a direct fantasy for people to impose demands on wanting them to kill stuff – as killing things is the high mark of typical HoTS play, so anything that can be remotely considered for high damage potential is generally only going to be imagine as a damage-dealer, and bemoaned if they aren’t.

That said, Adun and Khas could be considered the next-best thing to a high profile character associated with supporting the people, though in effect, they’re just literal backstory to Tassadar and all three are mostly associated with the same thing: saving the protoss by doing something unique with psionic powers in their lifetime.

So yea, tl;dr, pick a protoss and they can, in lore, be a ‘support’ hero.
However, so long as the given unit is associated with direct combat in anyway, someone will probably cry about that choice.

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So Tass having shields wasn’t far-fetched or weird at all? :thinking:

I don’t know if I have discussed it much on the forum, but I still want Vorazun as a stealth support. Giving temporary stealth, evasion, movement speed, or the like to her allies could make for a very fun kit. Alternatively, she could support by giving unique debuffs to an enemy hero, such as reducing their cast range for 2 seconds.

No shields or healing, that isn’t very Nerazim, but making your allies harder to focus would be a neat way to have a support, and bring her into the Nexus without competing with Zeratul.

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It’s called IQ, capitalized. Taking that you could not understand such basic abbreviation, that quote did reflect perfectly your intelligence.

well, some players of course will think it ‘weird’ because in-game hero units didn’t literally apply shields to other units, but the lore is sound.

During the Aeon of Strife, protoss warriors could use psionic forces to create plasma shields without the aid of khaydarin crystals. The psi-field generators just use technology to manipulate psionic energy to do the same thing.

A shield battery building exists as a way to ‘recharge’ an existing shield, but even then, since any vehicle, power armor or structure of the protoss use psionic forces to generate their fields, any sufficiently capable protoss can do much of the same thing.

High Templar are generally the peak of focusing psionic energy, so if any unit would make a plasma shield, akin to the warriors of old, it’d pretty much be them. Anything else is just a technological substitution to replicate what the protoss could do anyway.

In SC1 High Templars were support units, though.
The only damage ability they had was Psionic Storm, so him having a full mage kit makes no sense.

Honestly, we lost a unique support and got a generic mage.

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Can we just keep both versions in, like you get to choose a role when queueing, assassin or support and you get the respective kit?

There’s no rule that says why not, and both parties stay happy, it’s like we’re getting a new hero

Tass wasn’t reworked only cuz ppl said he should be a mage because he was a high templar.
He was a problem. So having both versions would be a bad idea imo, especially since it could confuse ppl.

But I think with little changes he could become a Support again (after all TLV is a Support too) or at least I hope soon we’ll get a new Support Hero.

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Blizzard doesn’t like Multi-Class heroes anymore. What you are asking for is a multi-class hero.

A multiclass hero like varian was a problem because people didn’t know what to expect when you got him as both a teammate and an enemy, and because of how hots was structured, it was a problem.

Which was why my suggestion was you could select a role during queue so that your role was set before the match starts

Support to me always seemed like a miscellaneous category for heroes that they weren’t sure how to classify and it kinda shows. The only thing that Zarya and Abathur have in common is that they both provide shields for teammates and neither of them have anything in common with TLV.

Aba provides soak for teams during fights, ganks and skirmishes.
Same as TLV.
They’re (“passive”) xp providers.

I mean, just comparatively speaking, it is really best for a dying game to be debating about content (which failed to draw interest and attention) rather than trying to ADD content?

The game is already confusing, I don’t see what’s the problem with making is a bit more interesting

Zarya doesn’t though and neither does Medivh.

They shield/burst protect, because Supporting can be more than just one thing, and that’s the role’s beauty.
So far it’s XP andor Burst Protection. But it can be more.

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Some were left out- corsairs, oracles but pretty much this. Only bio support was Dark Archons, high Templars, everything else was mech. it makes sense from a certain standpoint. Protoss were Inate with strong, regenerative shields, and if they could be retrieved just short of death they’d put them in a dragoon or immortal.

The only support ability HT had in SC was hallucination, which I believe would not fit in this game.

I wouldn’t classify the Corsair as a support unit, they are clearly an aggressive /harassment unit.

I mean, supports in starcraft are essentially anything that aren’t heavy combat units.

TLV being classified as support is weird, but now that I think of it there is no other category they can be put in. They’re not melee assassins, they’re not range assassins, nor tanks nor healers.

They support the team by gathering experience from multiple lanes.

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