I hate what Activision has done to screw-up Sylvanas!! She is slow, can’t take forts and buildings like she used to, and she can’t heal herself, this has me very disappointed and turned off from this game, why are you changing the FUN aspects of this game as well as World of Warcraft, I wish there were Legendary servers set in place to play the Original way the game was meant to play, and not have these developers step in and change the game and screw things up!!
Not happy with changes from HOTS and WoW, time to play better games where they don’t take the fun out of the game!
So now they are buffing her because her win rate is too low. Can we now stop with the “she’s better” nonsense. She’s worse, and she’s boring. The lower than expected winrate is worse because anyone who is any good no longer plays sylvanas. She offers nothing special anymore. Please revert her to the character she was - fast, fun, high learning curve, and great for players who knew what they were doing with her.
The people who like her as she is now are just crunching numbers and assert she’s better because her dps is higher. . . well, as any decent player knows, it’s not pure dps that makes a character good - it how and when you apply that dps. Sylvanas is now a character for droolers, who have no idea when or how to strike. In fact, her whole kit is dumbed down so that good players can’t use her like they did before. . . . it’s not just about dps output, like you were hitting a target dummy.
From Hotslogs, TL/HL in Master League Sylvanas has 29.8% popularity and 58.7% win rate. She’s in a tough spot, I agree.
She no longer has insane wave clear / pushing potential.
She has huge burst damage, 2500 damage in 2 seconds at level 13. She can also AOE poke solid damage. You need to put yourself at risk to do this though.
The other day I deleted a full hp Raynor with E->W->Q->R. 100% to dead, boom. Very slow.
She is now a high risk high reward ranged assassain, much better than Old Sylvanas that wasn’t really playable above gold.
that literally doesn’t mean much, if anything. Sitting afk in a bush is ‘boring’, standing in the back with an auto heal beam is ‘boring’, waiting on a 30+ second cooldown to have the capacity to contribute for one attempt at something is ‘boring’.
Typical “boring” claims, with little else said, can be regarded as issues on the user: afterall “boring” is a subjective assertion that can be more indicative of the person claiming such than on the material at hand.
I hear people call stuff “boring” at work all the time and 90% of the time it reflects that the person us using it as a reflexive claim to cover up their ignorance in not knowing what they’re supposed to be doing and even lacking the sense to figure it out for themselves.
a lot of pre-rework sylv players didn’t really engage with her autoattacks at all, so the consequence of having a trait and talent set be defined by needing to use some of her attacks instead of just rotating poking cds at an otherwise lesser effect means some people are largely crippling their own play by just persisting in doing more of the same and expecting the same outcomes.
The capacity to not get what one wants despite repetition is ‘boring’ so long as the subject doesn’t engage themselves to try harder and put in more effort than easy poke, and mindless afk at hitting towers to stop waves.
Or ya know, some posters could offer more particulars of the concerns instead of being too ‘bored’ enough to put in the effort to actually convince people something is an issue outside of reflexive responses for people that don’t already fall into the same rut.
wow, so I rarely see someone lay out an arguement that is basically, you can’t complain that sylvans is boring if you don’t use her correctly, THEN apply that to the old sylvanas as a reason for the rework. Maybe this type of logic is the reason why you don’t get that Sylvanas is not BORING. Those who could play her well loved her for her high learning curve. Just wow.
Those were the same people who said Sylv brought nothing to teamfights, and those people simply didn’t use her correctly. At 13 with Windrunner, Sylvanas became very impactful in teamfights. You could do a huge amount of burst damage and make dazzling in-and-out plays to finish kills. She was dynamic and fun when played this way. She was not a brainless wave clearer, but people saw “specialist” and thought that meant she should always be solo pushing towers.
She could clear waves faster than anyone but that was not her best utilization. She actually did very well in poke damage and finishing kills, but you had to play her the right way and you still had to put yourself at risk to do it. But the difference was that the risk was only dependent on the enemy team making a play (ie CC). Now the “risk” is just that she has less range so she’s closer to the enemy.
Tone, in written composition, is an attitude of a writer toward a subject or an audience. Tone is generally conveyed through the choice of words, or the viewpoint of a writer on a particular subject.
The choice of words I used is for conveying my viewpoint in regards to a reply given previously in this topic. I ‘adopted’ some of their choice of words to demonstrate a contrast from their claim to other claims contrary to that position. (do I need to link definitions of the highlighted terms to attempt more clarity for what I’m trying to convey?)
Instead of picking up on the distinction in my writing tone from that I which I replied, and application of word-choices, you seem to have fixated on the existing of the world “boring” and then disregard to where it was being applied, or how.
Instead of erecting a flaccid strawman, ya might wanna put a bit more effort on your reading comp. afterall, the basis of even getting to ‘logic’ or ‘arguments’ stems from actually reading the entirety of the material presented instead of misrepresenting it with fabrication.
And Nova has a 57% win rate on masters, but she’s also trash.
That’s why they are on masters, they win even with trash heroes, trash comps, or trash teammates…
Regardless, Sylvanas had to get megabuffed a week after her rework. And her winrate was 38% back then. It’s still barely 50% now, but she’s just way more boring to play than she used to be.
Level 53 sylvanas atm. Been playing since beta, and she’s currently my third most played. Unfortunately, she joins the ranks with the other two as a reworked character I will no longer touch. My major issues are:
-Lack of Q control and rate of fire. Her Q takes way too long to fire off and she cannot control when it goes off, which can lead to situations where it hits an unintended target. It’s not particularly engaging gameplay, and leaves the ability feeling boring and slower than its previous version.
-Lack of W spread. Why in the world did she lose her poke? It wasn’t over the top, but she did have an entire build built around it. Dagger feels terrible without built in poke.
-Emphasis on basic attacks. She doesn’t have the durability or sustain to require a STACKING mechanic. Good sylvanas’ already used their basic attack damage, but they weaved it in as available. Her requirement to apply 3 stacks before doing damage leaves her abilities feeling terrible without her trait up. Applying her trait is risky and not always doable. In those instances, you’re launching off non-spreading, un-buffed daggers and weak, slow Q’s. It feels terrible. I’m not even going to delve into how bad it feels that its a debuff, not a buff, so target swapping also sucks.
-Incredibly nerfed wave clear/mercing. Barbed shot + windrunner build from pre-rework let her shred merc camps. While this is an intended nerf, I don’t feel the rest of her kit received the needed attention to make this nerf warranted. As is, she just feels less fun to play and without her previous PvE power.
In short: I dislike the changes made to Q and W. I’m fine with the trait CD on disabling, but the stacking component of her trait will forever limit her unless reworked.
to reveal in not reading something and then pretending that you’re somehow still “right”
Did you bother to think you had a point in bumping this, or did you just want others to notice how more wrong you are? Might wanna report your reply at yourself, but that’d require you to bother reading something to make sense of it
1 you did
2 no
3 didn’t blame you other than to point out what you said
4 you are here, hmm
5 makes no sense
6 well, you seem hung up on the right concept. I just pointed out you said inconsistent things.
You really seem to have this defensive mechanism where you talk yourself into whatever.
I don’t know what report my reply at myself means.
I read it. Made sense. My point is accurate and clear.
Gladly willing to keep replying to blah blah if you’d like.
the issue here is that you’re trying to claim I even called sylvanvs “boring” in the first place.
I didn’t.
Instead of checking on any of that, you want to keep reveling on your little cloud to the point you bumped a topic after a couple of months and treat my responding to an active prompt when I’m already online as the same thing.
The issue presented is you claim I did something I didn’t do, to which I then provided length and content to establish ‘proof’ of the concern at hand and the consequences of your behavior.
You, on the other hand, refuse to engage with the material yourself to verify the proof, deny or refute and additional claims I have so made that complicate (and frustrate) the position you want to assert, and then you magically want to revel in being “right” out of ignorance.
So in the “I said” “she said” universe, you’re down a couple of points and still having brought anything worthwhile to justify bumping this beyond trying to over compensate for something.
Its a written medium: feel free to go back, actually read what you didn’t, and stop lying to yourself. From there, you could also attempt others strides in your personal integrity, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
Up till you have something new to offer (doubted) this has been a pointless bump.
I will let my orginal statement stand. Those who can read, will read your post and see you said inconsistent things.
And you are correct, I’m not really interested in engaging with you by bringing up proof, or additional claims. First, it’s completly unecessary - you either did, or didn’t say inconsistent things, and anyone can read your post and judge for themselves. Second, engage with you, lol. Come on Do you really think anyone engages with you in a meaningful way. I’m pretty sure the defensive stream of blah blah makes just about anyone shut down asap.
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Do you really think anyone engages with you in a meaningful way. I’m pretty sure the defensive stream of blah blah makes just about anyone shut down asap.