Every change will impact balance - it’s probably not necessary that Blizzard will have to mention this everytime. Like the movementspeed increase, has blizzard mentioned that they want to nerf all skillshot heroes?
How much extra elaboration do people need?
Is it a bad change just because it wasn’t elaborated well enough?
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Apparently to Blizzard, not much.
The same could easily be said for the movement speed patch, but it wasn’t this drastic.
There’s small quality of life adjustment, and there’s MASSIVE retooling of the game at almost no change the heroes.
This change outright nerfs the bulk of the roster, some even being greatly nerfed by it… and just… nothing to compensate? There’s a strong difference between “I have to time my skill shots better” and “I have to change my entire strategy to play this character, and even then, they’ll be less optimal.”
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So you think that the movementspeed buff was a small quality of life adjustment and the exp globe change is a MASSIVE retooling of the game?
Where is the logic behind this?
One is not a small quality of life adjustment just because you feel this way.
One is not a MASSIVE retooling of the game just because you feel this way.
If i argue the same way like you i would simply say both changes had similar impact on the game.
Name ONE hero that had to change the entire way they played the game (e.g. a quality of life nerf) because of the movement speed buff.
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Uh liming? idk tbh…
Name ONE hero that had to change the entire way they played the game (e.g. a MASSIVE retooling of the game) because of the exp globe changes.
I like the idea for xp globes. It makes bad players that much better because xp is more obvious and when people see something laying on the ground, theyre likely to go pick it up…however, making the globes always drop makes ranged characters worse at soaking. Also, if summons could gather the globes, it makes them OP at soaking, and always safe. I think if a player(or their summons) gets the KB on a minion, XP should immediately be grabbed. If not, then a globe drops and it must be picked up. I think doing this will make everyone happy, or close to, at least.
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Nope. You could still play Li-Ming the exact same way.
With this new patch, Abathur’s bodysoaking is not a thing. It would be suicidal for Abathur without being able to hide in bushes.
The same with TLV, who now can’t soak in safety but must be proactive in lane.
Azmodan also suffers greatly, with two of his abilities now no longer generating XP value unless he’s in lane with them. Split soaking Azmodan is no longer a thing.
That’s not even to talk about the direct nerf to XP generation for all ranged attackers, nor the abolishing of positioning.
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Look, Abathur can still bodysoak, this wasn’t removed from the game - he is just at a greater risk. That’s why Aba players need map awareness so they know where and when it’s save to bodysoak or when they have to move away. If a player stops bodysoaking with aba because of these changes then he’s bad at the game. The same with TLV.
That’s the point of reducing the exp range to 6 because these heroes should not be able to be that save all the time and generate exp without being at risk.
Splitsoaking Azmodan is no longer a thing is like saying Chromie/Hanzo/Junkrat are no longer in the game since the movementspeed buff because they have too many skill shots. So yeah players have to put in some brain now and adjust.
I agree that the exp changes are bigger than the movementspeed buff changes but it isn’t that dramatic as you want to make it. It would be just good if you could put in more thoughts in your post so that i don’t have to provoke you so hard until you really pull out some arguments.
The move speed increase was in fact a quality of life-esque change. Blizzard stated that they made the change in order to make the game feel faster and “snappier” or whatever they said. And blizzard did indeed address the fact that this change could affect hero balance.
The xp globe change was introduced to incentivize players to soak xp more, which I think is a rather ineffective way to accomplish this, but it has a clearly drastic effect on a number of heroes, and blizzard didn’t even acknowledge this. How much elaboration do I need? How about enough so that I don’t have to cast a scrying spell to figure out whether or not blizzard knew game balance would be affected this? Right now, it seems like the devs are clueless about it.
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They can’t be that stupid - of course they know.
You need an extra confirmation from Blizzard?
I had no problems yet. I haven’t seen a huge impact of it yet, bad or good. I will say though that I was able to double soak top and bottom lane as Malthael with the mount speed increase on some maps. Other than that, I don’t see a difference. The XP follows you and you get the XP when the little bubbles pop so for now, I’m indifferent.
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Heya, Haven’t played with this new patch eighter, however @Blizzard, I’m gonna list all the heroes that you are completely ruining with these Exp globes.
Here we go;
Abathur;
Yes his symbiote collects the globes, but you are taking all the skill away from the character. My friend has a lvl 50 Aba, and he body soaks the heck out of a lane during an objective, this means that he is usually in a bush near the minion waves. However with the new patch there is no way for him to body soak without getting detected. Also split soaking is now impossible because of the same reason.
The lost Vikings;
Yes you did give them a health and damage increase, cool, however they have become nearly impossible to play now, hear me out; as a viking player you need to look after 3 characters, who are usually in different lanes and not all on your screen at the same time, meaning you need to keep track of where each one of your vikings is, that is the first factor of difficulty. then you also need to make sure that you position each viking in a way that they are close enought to the lane to have the passive Exp gain (NOW), but not in a position where they can get ganked by any assasin on the planet. second factor, HOWEVER, with the new Exp globes, you cant stay out of harms way if you want to collect the globes, you need to walk way to far into the lane to get the exp, basically losing your viking for 1 lane of exp and then you need to do it 3 times at the same time. borderline impossible to not get absolutely fricked…
Azmodan ;
So lava wave picks up Exp globes, but Azmo’s dunk doesn’t… What? Why? This completely destroys Azmo’s purpose in a game, he cant soak 2 lanes right now, and this makes him even more underpowered than his rework did, wich was already bad enought…
(Insert all squishy, ranged assasins);
Completely and utterly useless when it comes to laning, all you need to cut them of from the Exp is a character with just a little more health, CC, melee, or any other form of zone capabilities.
(Insert any support that is decent at laning) ;
Take for instance Auriel, I have her lvl 48, and she is one of the better solo-laning supports in the game. she can easely soak against most characters if played carefully and with a bit of skill. That’s why I like her, however with the new Exp globes, she has to walk into the minion wave, meaning she is quite vulnorable, as she cant stick behind her own minions to doge ability’s from heroes like Li-Ming and Chromie, but it also makes her an easy prey for a gank from heroes with CC.
This change is just so increadibly dumb, you’re ruining your own game with this BS, I mean you’re already cutting funds and staff, there is no reason to also completely frick the game itself over, if you’re not certain about a change like this, don’t implement it, it’s very simple, stick to tweaking heroes, and bringing us new maps and heroes, but stop trying to change the fundementals of the game just because you think Low tier players, wich you are hardly getting, as there is no publicity for this game what so ever, don’t understand how FRICKING EXP WORKS, Jezus Blizzard this is insane, I mean the stealth rework was worse enought, you’re making this game way to noob friendly and there is absolutely no skill left apart from learning what the heroes do. STOP, please. Just leave the game as it is, because no one was complaining about the “issues” you guys are “adressing”…
So help me god I hope someone from the Dev team sees this…
Also, im gonna be posting this as many times as i possibly can, cuz i really feel like Blizzard is making a bad call here… and should listen more to the majority of their players that actually know how the game used to be…
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He was ALREADY at great risk. He’s the squishiest hero in game, has a long cooldown mount, and to play his global efficiently AND body soak required a large amount of multitasking. Now, to not be able to use bushes is basically just painting a giant ‘kill me’ target on his head for anyone with even the scantest amount of map awareness. I don’t think you understand the magnitude of a nerf this is to Aba.
You understand even the higher level Aba mains hate this patch, right? You’re being absurd.
No no no no n no no. Split soaking as Azmodan is literally not a thing. This isn’t something that’s more difficult for Azmodan. You can no longer do it in the way he could previously. This isn’t heightening a skill cap, this is destroying something was in the game previously and now isn’t.
This is dramatic. This is an awful change, through and through.
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this couldn’t be more incorrect. tassadar was positively effected by this change, because he’s typically relied on as a solo laner, and his shield ability makes him a hero that 1v1 versus most heroes, he doesn’t have to even care who’s coming at him…he can just stand there and take it…soaking globes for him is insanely easy. it also allows him to finish his quest faster because it forces enemy ranged heroes to at least push into him a little bit when they dont want to if they want their experience…
as a level 200+ medivh on main i can also say it’s a positive change for medivh as well. again, early game forces enemies to push into expected areas and helps him finish quest earlier. medivh is also not easy to simply bully out of a lane if u know how to play him.
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Honestly, yeah. We only know what blizzard tells us. If their intentions with xp globes were indeed to make it harder to play Abathur they THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID SO. They did not say that, so it appears to me that the devs haphazardly made this change without considering its ramifications. Also, it’s a Nexus anomaly that can be reverted at any time.
Consider your favorite hero. Suppose they release a balance patch that nerfs the ever living HELL out of that hero and they give no comment on it at all. How do you respond? Wouldn’t you be a little angry or least demand an explanation? Or is it just the typical canned “changes are fine, just learn to adapt”
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You mean your Friend was so bad that he only bodysoaked because it was impossible to detect him? Now it actually requires a good player to do this bodysoaking…
Body soaking was always a risk. It was a risk at all levels but more so high-end as the people know to be on the look out for his creeps. Now you need to be in vision at all times (or at least like a MM out of vision) and anyone and their mother will come and kill you. With DW being a hero now you are 100% dead as he can just jump on you.
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This is by far the most garbage thing you’ve said.
Feel free to play Abathur this season and gain that master rank with him. Show us how it’s done if it’s so easy.
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So you mean you are so bad at the game that you didn’t know you can see wether Aba is body soaking or not by the duration on his locust?
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