Protoss Immortal hero

[firesnake912-1531]

@N001-1468

then we can bake in Hardened shield into barrier through a talent while lowering the baseline barrier amount to 35% and put them both at E or R

The main problem that I see with harden shield is that it is too good, if it is a talent, then it would be a must pick, and if it is a heroic it will also be a must pick. The amount of damage mitigation makes it to strong to compete with.

@Alias-2471

I would make it 25%, where you can stack it up to 50% (and the shield becomes permanent). this means a 40s cooldown to get your full shield. This makes it decent in order to prepare for a fight, and still makes you able to use your shield in extended fights in order to either top off the shield, or replenish a bit off it even if it wasnt entirely destroyed.

Now this is a much better version than what i came up with, and is still unique compared to Artanis and Fenix shield traits.
Heck they could make harden shield a level 20 talents that last for 4 seconds doing the damage mitigation then.

[Alias-2471]

For a heroic the hardened shield could still compete as it reduces all hits towards a certain cap. If truly getting bursted down, 20 hits is quite a bit of hits because most strong abilities (lets say a blast of 400hp) is reduced to just 5% (at 2000hp, this means just 100 damage).

And as that affects other heroes that are nearby, it can be realy strong and even become a potential mosh pit counter. Especialy if there is no cast time on this.

[firesnake912-1531]

But that is my point, this heroic hard counters the burst meta comp, making it hard to say no too. Burst is king, and this completely nullifies any attempt to burst someone down in under 2 seconds. How could anything compete with that.
Along with the fact people also can be healed while this is going on makes it even better.

[Harby-21187]

Good to see you put Alarak to justice

[phaseshifter-1283]

I think the trait won’t work.

The majority of games, you won’t have a trait. When it does apply you deal 50% extra damage on top of ignoring armor.

The hero would end up being exclusively a counterpick. And when he would be a good pick, he’d be banned.

[N001-1468]

@SirFuzzi-1601

The problem there is that we may not want someone who can punish high output burst to be able to clear. Suddenly him showing up in lane means they lose trade and if he can clear effectively, that’s really quickly gonna mean clearing lane matchups effortlessly.

We should aim to keep him as a much bigger obstacle to heroes. The Scatter Cannon is cool and all, too, but we may want to watch out with how much pushing power he gets.
If Shadow Cannon could pierce minions maybe…
Or perhaps Shadow and Scatter occupy the same slot, and can be switched between somehow, forcing him to go on cooldown for either his effective trade or his effective clear.

I don’t see a big problem in this , Johana and stitches for example can walk into a lane clear and go away and their chances of being bursted down is little thanks to powerful defensive tools and hp, of course they will not be able to bully their opponents because their heroic damage is low but this is a different story , even if the immortal is anti burst hero he is very susceptible to sustained damage because he can’t self heal

@Maximus-12995

Couple things in there I’m not too happy about in retrospect, so I’m revising them now.

That’s normal

@Maximus-12995

Here’s the old version, from over a year ago now.
https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/concept/praetor-taldarin-5809

I like the varying time travel of scatter cannon projectiles giving them that mortar aim feeling

I thought about giving him Phoenix Graviton Beam or Corsair Disruption web but I refrained at the end and decided not to give him CC at all , but graviton pulse seems nice soft CC that is faithful to Taldarin kit from Co-op

@Alias-2471

50% is ult level of shields. This ability would be worthy as replacement for R1 (which currently is quite bad).

I would make it 25%, where you can stack it up to 50% (and the shield becomes permanent). this means a 40s cooldown to get your full shield. This makes it decent in order to prepare for a fight, and still makes you able to use your shield in extended fights in order to either top off the shield, or replenish a bit off it even if it wasnt entirely destroyed.

This would then obviously require some health value balancing. But even then 2000hp with a potential 800 shield should do fine. Especialy if you always respawn with a shield of 400 (and 800 at game start).

It also allows some talents with it because it has a lot of variables that can be changed:

• Increasing max shield capacity
• Increase shield gain upon activation
• Reducing total shield, but allowing multiple stacks to be stored
• Apply armor while the shield is active (adds additional armor management in order to optimize uptime - it could be better to store your E when your shield is almost down so after the next burst you still have a shield)
• Taking damage on the shield affecting cooldowns (a diffirent way to try to optimize uptime of the shield)
• Cause AA to transfer shield hp to regular hp (and therefor reduce the shield which E can replenish), in values like 50shield → 100hp.
• Add an ability that disables the shield to increase damage (similar to fenix)

Good suggestions I like them but I don’t want to give him self healing only shields.

@firesnake912-1531

The main problem that I see with harden shield is that it is too good, if it is a talent, then it would be a must pick, and if it is a heroic it will also be a must pick. The amount of damage mitigation makes it to strong to compete with.

One easy way to balance it is to increase the threshold from 5% all way up to 10% in small increments

@phaseshifter-1283

I think the trait won’t work.

The majority of games, you won’t have a trait. When it does apply you deal 50% extra damage on top of ignoring armor.

The hero would end up being exclusively a counterpick. And when he would be a good pick, he’d be banned.

Armor is pretty common now in the game , and if it needs a buff we can include spell Armor too