They’re scared of that mobility 
It’s very hard to justify this as a flat buff, because people rarely pick those two talents, most of the time it’s the talent that gives CDR to Deflect
I saw him on both sides and it looked like the hp buff helped quite a bit.
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I dno why blizz is pushing agile dismount so hard. It is a poorly designed talent.
Genji has the flexibility and choice of engaging with either swift strike or trait, and then the flexibility and choice of either using the remaining mobility spell to chase or to disengage.
With agile dismount, the moment genji takes it, he spends the rest of the game doing THAT ONE THING which is engaging with his trait every single time. No brains required no thinking required, no evaluating his options and considering whether better to engage with his E or his trait.
Nope, after taking agile dismount it’s always better to engage with trait.
Very poor design imo
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Agile Dismount reduces his D cooldown to 6 seconds (was 5 seconds before).
Not a buff.
No one picks Augmented Guard cus it’s still trash.
Not a buff.
The only buffs are health and health regen + cyber shield duration and X-Strike and Way Of The Shimada talent (which will be must pick over Shingan).
Overall he did get buffs, BUT, Genji’s talents still be cookie cutter bad and the best ones get picked. I dislike how I can’t pick Shingan now cus it competes with range + dmg talent.
EDIT: His D got nerfed cus of the new talent. Blizzard is afraid that E build Genji’s with Dragonblade go too ham so they have to secretly make it more clunky to play.
May i ask how is it a hard choice? You’d pick shingan for burst and way of bullshiftmada for sustain +easy damage.
Plus wouldn’t increasing range make shingan harder to hit anyway if you could pick both?
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There is no choice. With 5.5 range no one can touch me.
And how is that bad then? Want it to be a level 20 instead?
Thing is, the AA damage isn’t even that impressive. He gets outshone by Dedicated AA heroes like Greymane, Raynor and Valla at range. They too have their burst combos that are FAR easier to execute. I’d rather have 300 hp health + more AA damage on a DIFFERENT tier (4 looks good) as buffs rather than the extra range. Atm he’s in a limbo.
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Do you really expect something like genji to have AA damage like raynor?
How would that be balanced?
Can i ask illidan to have stiches level of health too?
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When you have a small healthpool, zero sustain, CC, no attack speed modifiers and a 4.5 range. YES. I do expect higher AA output so the hero can actually be IMPACTFUL. Do I expect him to have AA dps rivaling that of Raynor with inspired active, trait procing and Execute? (550 dps @ 20 EASY, 700 with bounty hunter instead of give me more.) No, but I do expect between 350 to 380 dps (lv20). As I said, I’d rather have the damage over the range so he’s a high risk high reward hero, not one that needs to poke for an eternity at range.
He’s only got standard range and the damage buff is conditional, worse yet it competes on a tier where he gets burst and some semblance of waveclear. Give him MEANINGFUL buffs if the intent is to lift him out of trash tier.
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And you have heroes that are like this and are melee. Excuse me if i laugh at this.
Blockquote Excuse me while I laugh at your lack of hero knowledge. There are no melee assassins with under 4k health pool that have zero sustain or damage modifiers.
Excuse me while I laugh at your lack of hero knowledge. There are no melee assassins with under 4k health pool that have zero sustain, CC or damage modifiers.
And they do not have a ranged AA assassin level of damage nor the mobility of genji nor the ability to ignore damage.
Asking for current genji to have the damage of a ranged assassin is laughable.
Like me asking for illidan to have the HP of stiches.
Pretty sure it is possible to build zeratul with 0 sustain 0 Cc and 0 modifier btw.
Blockquote And they do not have a ranged AA assassin level of damage nor the mobility of genji nor the ability to ignore damage.
Stacked Butcher, Twilight Falls Zeratul doing 4.5/5.5k health with a single combo, 140+ sadism Alarak all say hello and want to talk to you about the level of burst they can deal. Gaz would like to show you his Mechalord dps and gravo combo burst.
Blockquote Asking for current genji to have the damage of a ranged assassin is laughable. Like me asking for illidan to have the HP of stiches.
Hmmmm One’s asking for the damaged of a sustained ranged assassin AS a ranged assassin with a range deficit. Meanwhile you’re asking a Melee Assassin to have the healthpool of a TANK. Dude, CHECK your logic.
Blockquote Pretty sure it is possible to build zeratul with 0 sustain 0 Cc and 0 modifier btw.
Have fun getting flamed by your team and more likely than not losing the match if you’re not giving him any sustain.
What is genji’s role? What is raynor’s?
Genji having ranged attack does not mean he is entitled to have Jimmy’s output.
And before you say greymane i can say he is a sitting duck and easy kill if you catch him in human form with no minion close while you have at 3 ways (4 with lolstrike) to get out without having to have a target to jump to so he compensates his lack of mobility with more damage than genjo.
If tommorow illidan got rebranded as a bruiser to match the other solo laners no one would bat an eye so if i go by your “logic” he could be entitled to get at least HP similar to sonya or dehaka.
Do i find unreasonnable to ask genji to have more AA damage? Gotta check what the new buffs will do but why not?
Does he need the damage of base jimmy because he has range attack? Omegalul.
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His whole fantasy to me is E and resets and shotgun. Everything else they buff is meaningless if it doesn’t affect E build. I’m okay with the garbage range cus I spend 75% of times diving and doing shingan procs anyway ALTHOUGH auto attacking plays a part too obviously. Reality is that Genji is not a pure ranged DPS and for a good reason, mobility/resets. And that’s fine cus his fantasy is to get up close and personal with Swift Strike to finish them off and flashy plays.
Recent patch didn’t even address that fantasy, Blizzard doesn’t like if that fantasy is powerful apparently. And they further confirmed that with D cooldown increase.
If Genji can’t be good at waveclear, let him be good at finishing people off and being flashy. There’s plenty of CC in the game to keep him in check already. Yet, Blizzard is still being extremely careful here when they shouldn’t. I don’t know what their data is but I’m really curious about it.
They can buff Genji all they want as long as they nerf Perfect Defense.
I explicitly stated I didn’t expected Genji to output 550 dps+ sustained damage but something along the lines of 350~380 dps especially when 70% of his damage comes from AA. Did you completely miss out when I said I expect him to have respectable dps not broken dps?
Blockquote Do I expect him to have AA dps rivaling that of Raynor with inspired active, trait procing and Execute? (550 dps @ 20 EASY, 700 with bounty hunter instead of give me more.) No, but I do expect between 350 to 380 dps (lv20).
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Why is Greymane so over extended in human form? That’s just a serious case of git gud. Also that 900 hp by lv 20 over Genji (effective 1.4k in worgen form) REALLY helps.
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Except Illidan isn’t being rebranded as bruiser is he? You still don’t understand the meaning of false equivalency.
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Try to keep it simple and not break your head by thinking to hard. You’d have an easier time branding Butcher as a bruiser since he actually has legitimate CC outside of his heroics and matching hp to boot.
Yes and they’re pushing genji in the direction of being a sustained AA, giving him that way of the shimada talent, and buffing his base stats.
Meanwhile they’ve completely missed the core of what is fun about playing genji, the mobility and the resets. I rather they just leave genji alone, the hp increase was not worth the trait cooldown increase at all. I’d play a weak hero that is fun over another generic AA hero any day.
They did the same to whitemane too, every rework they do seems to be the same theme, forcing the heroes into a sustained auto attack kind of thing
The only thing significant about this is genji losing BOTH the talent that gives 2 charges of cyber agility, and having to forgo shingan for this unfun playstyle
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