Lets talk about: Uther

[MortalWombat-2755]

@Biochemikas-2174

And considering he’s already #1 of the healers

lol this again

[Fawxkitteh-1929]

@Gnarilex-1503

His Q talents are far from mandatory.

Not very.
Holy Shock isn’t completely mandatory but it’s pretty close.

@MortalWombat-2755

Because he is awesome bruiser already and weak healer?

Again, so?

[MortalWombat-2755]

@Fawxkitteh-1929

Again, so?

He is already good bruiser, HS makes him even better bruiser because he can pick another talent (EDIT - that will be 100% Holy Fire unless something much better appears).

How HS baseline makes Uther better healer? What HS got to do with healing others?

Whats the point of buffing something he is already good at and not buffing what is he lagging behind since Malf rework? (and then new releases/Tyr rework made comparably worse).

[WereElf-2100]

@Harby-21187

Q build I never liked but its popular so its good I guess
W build the 0,5s seems rewarding, but you really need to be in high master for that. I dont pick it up when playing with my plat friends. Then again the only time I saw uther being used in the later matches of the old HCG he was picked with E build. And I never see it picked up anymore
E build : I love it, but you need to be able to get up close. So if your team gets heavy poked. Its hard to pull off

I also don’t know why is Q build so popular. While I am also taking Q talent on level 4 in most of the games, the level 1 talent makes no sense. You don’t really need longer Q range, and the mana cost reduction is laughable compared to the mana you get from the basic attack quest.

I used to like Uther, and I played him a lot until Whitemane was released. After that the healer meta shifted a lot. Now with Anduin too, I see almost no reason to pick Uther, especially as a solo support.
It’s not just the mana cost, but the cooldowns as well. Each of his heals has 12 sec cooldown! He heals 2-ce and he exhausts himself. While other healers have much shorter cooldown on their heals, even if some of them don’t heal as much as Ooter.
I suppose that even some mana cost reductions will be good for the short term, but he needs a bigger rework in order to be a viable solo healer again.

[UncleGanon-1877]

@Biochemikas-2174

He most certainly doesn’t.

Statistics say he does.

@Biochemikas-2174

And considering he’s already #1 of the healers (a little situational sure, but compared to other healers in their optimal habitats, uther is so far ahead, that it’s not even funny),

What is your basis for this? His stats clearly show him as not even APPROACHING top healers. Anduin, Tyrande, Malfurion and Lucio have nearly DOUBLE his popularity in Masters. Ana has nearly TRIPLE. In pro games, he barely hits 10% popularity and these are the best players in the game. So unless you’re just smoking crack and imagining things, I can’t imagine where you’re getting this silly idea from.

@Biochemikas-2174

the only tuning he can get is nerfs.

Why? He isn’t picked very often in comparison to real top healers and he has noted mana issues.it seems like getting a light tune up would be beneficial.

@Biochemikas-2174

Do you really want him nerfed?

No, which is why I never advocated for nerfs lmfao.

[Fawxkitteh-1929]

@MortalWombat-2755

Whats the point of buffing something he is already good at and not buffing what is he lagging behind since Malf rework?

To solidify his role as a tank/healer, rather than trying to pretend he’s a healer that is behind. Basically the same reason people pick talents that make assassins do more damage, and tend to ignore the ones that let them live long enough to do their job, I guess people just like to specialize.
Paladins are a hybrid class and across all kinds of fiction including Warcraft they’re portrayed as being durable but capable of healing, and often somewhat capable of doing damage. He fits in there pretty well.

@WereElf-2100

You don’t really need longer Q range, and the mana cost reduction is laughable compared to the mana you get from the basic attack quest.

I need longer range so I can poke the back line while I’m standing on the frontline, or poke the front line before the fight even begins.
The mana cost reduction makes his Q free when used to shock. Which means free armor and heals for Uther, which let him tank better.
You can’t always auto attack in team fights.

@WereElf-2100

but he needs a bigger rework in order to be a viable solo healer again.

And again, why does he need to be a solo healer?
There’s absolutely no reason he needs to be.
He has a unique role, and if you buff his healing you’ll have to nerf his tanking. And that means I’ll be left with absolutely zero options when my team has neither a healer or a tank, or just needs some extra front line.
The only other hero that comes close is Zarya.
Let’s not ask to homogenize the heroes, it’s more interesting when they are unique.