Guldan, silenced already proceeds to burn through all life and mana to start.
Auriel then walks back to hearth, refuses to play, then suicides all game long to avoid afk timer.
Meanwhile the rest of us have to still play this crap out not to be penalized.
This is what blizz thinks is good.
This is what all you blizzhuggers defend when you don’t take this stuff with an ounce of seriousness.
Nope, that is not what blizz thinks is good. You are proclaiming falsehoods to rationalize something to blame. When people speak out against your flasehoods, you impose a ‘false dilemma’ and then take that to mean that they’re thus defending that which has offended you.
People have posted alternative solutions to your claims over these years, and it seems like you’re becoming more troubled over this despite the predictable cycle that happens at lower mmr in ‘ded’ games.
Tossing out blame cycles doesn’t magically improve the game. Making a few friends, telling chat jokes, or a myriad of other things has a demonstrable effect beyond magically hoping that one-off reports will lead to direct bans.
idk why you think id want to defend that
Another game.
Zag just walks under towers all game long.
Players that played with before said this was 4 games in a row of it already. Always reported.
Should I give names here of the repeat offenders? Sadly I cant because it would just result in me getting banned for breaking Tos.
And yes, they do. They have known the issue for many years. It’s almost as easy to detect as Leo standing under a tower. They have done nothing. Yet the still ban you for telling someone exactly what they are by doing so. The only logical conclusion to be made is that this the what they think the best state of the game is.
When someone points out you make a lot of fallacies, trying to play the “only logical conclusion” doesn’t mean you actually made a logical conclusion. What it does mean is that you don’t want to think things through, and you want to blame other things. Which kinda defeats the whole “logical” claim.
Let’s look at 3 main issues:
Laws and punishments don’t stop theft, homicides, and a myriad of other unsustainable behaviors. Digital version of that aren’t as much a deterrent either, especially since ‘rules’ usually have a threshold that people can skirt if they so choose to do so.
Some games demand heavier punishments, but some with the most flagrant of offenders generally still have those regardless of how grandiose a display they make of their punishments. And that’s games with active teams on that.
Yea, some detections could be ‘better’, but does that change that people learn the particular limit, and then skirt that standard instead? Will lowering report thresholds just weaponize it for false-supports and empower ‘troll’ players more than the standard?
The better option would be to incentivize people to be cooperative and actually play the game. As mentioned with law/civility, education and training have a better impact than threats, reports, and sanctions. However, people that don’t consider positive options aren’t likely to utilize those, so they dig-in deeper and fixate on something to blame.
The capacity to point out bad logical assertions and pragmatic concerns doesn’t mean your problems aren’t a concern, but it does beg the question if you’re the sort that aggravates the issues your faulting and thus cause you to experience far more of those than is expected. Or even less pointed a question, are there options that you can do to improve your experience instead of spending years repeating yourself over the same thing ad infinitum.
Next game. Jo afk. comes back 3 different times to sit afk.
Just making sure you understand that this is not a rare occurrence.
So these people all have their fun at 9 other people’s expense. They get to be the center of import. They get to laugh at the rest of us as we even attempt to play, waste our time, and never get banned. This, whether you care to admit it or not is rewarding psychopathic behavior. I never said that everyone here is one. I said exactly what it is. If you can’t be bothered to understand rudimentary psychology it isn’t on me.
So, by all means keep defending it by just out ethicing me rather than addressing that there is, and has long been an issue with this behavior.
Or are you so unfathomably obstinate that you are going to continue to say that my experience is hyperbolic.
This is nigh an hour of playtime that is utterly wasted, loss of points and mmr for no fault of our own.
This experience is preferred by blizz rather than doing a single thing about it. It doesn’t matter the extent you go to in order to draw attention to these players. You can hide behind 'moderators here are people that watch the game over there, or whatever your newest bs is. But it doesn’t make what I have said untrue.
You are not helping at all. All you are doing is trying to throw people under the bus for having a bad experience that you even refuse to admit has happened.
Dear Diary…
“most” games don’t have leavers unless you’re in leavers queue, so yes, it is a ‘rare’ occurrence sans particular conditions, ie low pop on select servers. Similarly, most leaver concerns can be completely offset with making a few friends via online social tools, or mode selection.
You’re taking select instances, pretending that they’re the norm, and then extending out to then assert that the devs think this is the ‘ideal experience’. You don’t seem to understand what I mean when you’re posting hyperbole/exaggeration or drawing illogical conclusions. Plenty of people can give ‘honest’ information and still be deceiving themselves with it due to bad interpretations and fault-finding.
Asking for context is a way of helping, but you seem afraid to give it. That usually suggests that you either don’t care how this things affect match quality (they do) or you’re afraid you’d out yourself as being complicit in issues you’re having, and that doesn’t suit your blame cycle especially given that you roll alts and don’t seem to have visible traces of playing the game based on forum IDs.
However, at the end of the day, “free will” still exists, so the amount of preventative action that can happen in a “ded game” is limited, so not a lot is likely to change on the game-side of things. Even heavily active games are rife with complaints that make it seem like that their game is a flapping mess of leavers and cheaters due to the visibility and ease of complaining.
However, if the numbers of actual participants fall into a particular range, those games also won’t see much change as select problems aren’t ‘fixed’ by absolute solutions that people lazily propose, but [they] also tend not to care about that anyway.
So other ‘solutions’ involve players increasing their own awareness, improving their social interactions, and curbing their antisocial impulses as a means of trying to improve the game internally. Many players can report an infrequency in leaver/afk; on my end about the only time I’ve had a leaver/afk is when a ‘troll’ from the forums says “hey, it’s that guy that posts walls on the forums, so I’m going to feed” and then they have a magical one-off freebie where reports probably don’t accumulate enough from that gesture to get them sanctioned.
The capacity for people to feel they have more impact by feeding/trolling than playing the game is typically part of why they do it, if hey do it perpetually. Otherwise, some instances are not has pronounced as some people claim, but they’re caught up in negativity biases and that’s the fixation of their attention. It’s easier for people to assume troll and flame their allies than watch a replay and see “oh they’re getting ganked by an in-game duo” or whatever possibility they don’t want to consider.
Bottom line, there’s other details involved you don’t care about, and instead you draw bad conclusions from incomplete data and then pretend it’s ‘logical’.
The only benefit of the doubt I will lend to the OP, is if they are playing on an alt account, which is low level or new, they are more likely to experience more disruptive gameplay compared to playing on a veteran account.
This is only my anecdotal experience, but when I’ve been playing on my alt with friends (that account is around 140), it is far more common that I experience players who troll or throw matches, than when I’m playing my level 2800 main.
There are toxic smurfs in new player queue, many of whom make accounts with names like “BlizzDidCrime”, who have made the account to seek some kind of revenge on Blizzard. That isn’t a guess on my part, I’ve asked such individuals why they make these accounts, and the reply is usually along the lines of “Blizzard is evil, and I want to ruin as many games as possible so Hots is shutdown.”
This same sentiment has also been repeated here on the forums.
Blizzard also thinks its fine to allow those 90% winrate ARAM 5-man stacks that ruin the experience for other EUW players.
The game is dead for good reasons.
For starters, especially with OP’s follow up responses, there is a thread called Salt Mountain for where gripes are dropped concerning match quality. Or lackthereof.
Second, HotS is in maintenance mode, so there isn’t much they are going to do. Not like they would do a whole lot even if HotS was supported–potentially making it worse–if the state of Diablo 4 and Overwatch are of any indication.
Most, if not all of us, regulars have gripes against Blizzard and are not afraid to speak on them. I think the company is a dumpster fire that has been ongoing for years with HotS having the plug pulled a good thing in the long run in terms of gameplay. Not so much for the population, but definitely for gameplay.
Don’t get me started on WoW. I get slightly cheesed off just thinking about what they did to the game and the lore.
So to throwing out lovely words such as shills, blizzhuggers, or whatever derogatory term that is “in” is false. You need to go to another discussion forum if you want to find the Blizzard fanboys.
While I cannot speak for everyone else I have a deep seated hatred for Blizzard and only play HotS because 1) I get to play my favorite characters before they were lorically shanked and 2) Out of spite against Blizzard because I refuse to purchase another game post Overwatch downgrade from them.
You seem like you’re in a bad way. I’d recommend settling down, listening to some calming music. This is one of my all-time favourites:
Game 1 of the evening. KT afk all game. comes back several times. Actually won with 4.
Game 2 Reghar leaves as the game begins.
Two games.
And this isn’t for salt mines. This is to point out an indicative problem that persists but that is never addressed, coated over, told it is hyperbole, told to put it somewhere else. (you aren’t the forum moderators so you have literally no say in what should go where btw).
Psst, people have a ‘say’ in suggestions on how to improve your claims and conduct, esp since this is a ‘written’ medium where they ‘literally’ apply literacy. If you’re trying to point to a problem, then having solidarity and volume would help more than itemized complaints on one-off topics on a mildly unread medium.
Asserting ‘they’ don’t do something, and then claiming you’re going to magically make a difference posting on a ‘ded’ medium is mostly counter-intuitive. If they cared about numbers, they wouldn’t even bother with reading the posts since game metrics would already indicate to them that players leave, sit in base, and do other things to skirt automation and player reports.
Or are you two anecdotes magically more indicative than some 55 million replays?
There’s this other place called “reddit” that seems to get more attention from blues for, ya know, people that actually want to make the difference they so claim to fuel their posts. For example, changes to aram seem to largely stem from ‘reddit’ compared to the activity here, much of which does tend to come from the Salt Mines.
…my previous comment pointed that out.
There is roughly a dozen of us regulars here, the forum bot, and maybe a moderator drops in once every 3-4 months. Occasionally we get an influx of new accounts that necro threads, write redundant threads, express their happiness towards the game, ect. before disappearing. This is the wrong place to try and make waves as Xenterex pointed out.
I mean, just look at how you have to access these forums. On the computer it is represented by the "…’ button while on my smartphone I noticed getting on here I had to jump through some hoops like what is required to access a hidden area in an old video game from the 90’s.
Even if there were thousands of us here like over in OW or the WoW forums it is a coin flip toss or two on whether or not Blizzard would actually pay attention. There have been cases where Blizzard got the stupid and wrote “We hear you.” on the forums only to receive a tremendous amount of backlash over a change they made. Despite getting absolutely destroyed for not listening, Blizzard carries on with their own thing most times.
They can’t even fix, or simply refuse to change, OW’s horrendous matchmaking and that has been a problem for years. They just release more overpriced skins that may or may not be just different colored skins from the past.
I’M NOT?!?!?!
When did this happen? I had a cardboard cut out card that some shady guy on teh street gave me to me a while back, along with a bag of some really weird sugar that made me see things, that stated I was a forum moderator on here.
Did he lie to me?
I need to sit quietly in the corner and re-evaluate my life now.
But in all seriousness, you are better off going over to reddit than try and get anything accomplished over here. Not just for HotS, but basically anything Blizzard related. It has been a thing since…I think around the beginning of Legion for some strange reason.
Probably because anyone that ruffles feathers can get muted/banned and Blizzard does not have to take direct responsibility for it.
Why does winrates in ARAM bother you do much lol ? I would understand if it was ranked but ARAM ?
Also why does it bother you that some people que up in a full team when you could be doing the same ? Its not really thier fault that they are better at playing the game then others are.
Game 1: 3 people have left in under 30 seconds.
Game 2: 2 people left before the timer even got to zero.
Game 3: 1 afk to start, 3 in hearth in under 3 min with ggs.
Game 4 won.
Game 5: person, literally with no levels. with a name saying they are trolling, repeatedly just sits in hearth, gets kicked, and comes back, hearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes backhearth, gets kicked, and comes back
Game 6: nobody afk, but rex dies 8 times in under 7 min.
Game7: fenix afk for over half the game.
Game 8: over in less than 6.5 min. really stood a chance here…really…eyeroll. after 1 of 7 playable, just given as fodder.
so out of 7 games, I have literally had one that was playable. and yet have lost how much mmr? how much time?
This is not some one off. This is the state of it. Wtf else do you need to get that this is exactly what blizzard did by making their choices early on with their biases in matchups (if you weren’t there to see the video where they ourtight admitted it, then it was posted here, then they removed the video. that’s not my fault).
Then they get all in a wad about people saying meany meany things when you have the option of disabling chat all together, have a gd mute button, and leave this completely unanswered for years on end, made promises to address it knowing full well they were blowing smoke our are tush and know people will try to say it isn’t a problem. Have people try to draw any attention to it, but those just get shot down, told we are hyperbolic, ban people for life for showing how frustrated they are to even get the slightest response at all, only to be ridculed again repeatedly, even when lists are made showing exactly wth is happening…
The only thing someone can surmise is that they think this is befitting of their game. or they are just maliciously negligent, and anyone that calls them really harshly on it is just thrown from the community without even bothering to look at match data, have people here defend them behind ‘others people manage the game’ is just beyond words. Aka why i sacked the other account to show them what words come can even come close to describing this experience.
more edit: up to 5 of 7 with at least 1 afk, 6 of 7 totally unplayable. this hyperbolic still?
Are you playing on an account that is under 1K, or has low MMR? I ask you the question as on my Veteran account, it’s extremely rare that I encounter leavers in any mode. However, on my alt account which is about level 150, there are frequent leavers in ARAM/QM (I don’t play ranked on that account), as the game puts me in new player queue which is filled with smurfs, many of which have made accounts to troll with.
yes it’s low mmr because this is all i can ever get. ever.
and i did try messing with a new account, it is the same pile of garbage.
qm is beyond dead, and aram to 50 levels to play draft (which is reasonable, i don’t blame this) is just one set of this after another ad infinitum.
My only advice is to try to group up with people, but I understand that isn’t as easy as it once was, most of my friends either quit, or play far less often.
From my experience, you’re right about new accounts not being a better experience over an established account. I created an alt account to play with 2 IRL friends that I introduced to Hots. From my experience on that account, you’re far better off playing your veteran account. As you said, playing on a new account is a horrible experience. I feel very sorry for genuine new players, as there are so many smurfs, some are skilled, but most are the troll variety, accounts made by people whose only intention is to troll players by abuse/afk/int, or all of the above.