Its the mentality of the player. w talent seems good on paper to some but its a bad shrink ray in teamfights, its value is rare and conditional, I rarely pick it against a hard carry. other e option also sounds flashy but has lower and inconsistent value compared to saintly great staff’s bland text. Players who pick greatly saint staff has greater winrate because their decisions are better not because they get that 55 damage proc- and believe me it doesnt happen often-.
Why would you listen to a guy who never plays whitemane? He has him on lvl 6 or so
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Tbh chogall is quite scary since the last buffs for comp. He became quite viable now after a really long time.
Yeah, as expected tbh. Still don’t really see a problem here though since the other builds also work depending on the situation. She’s not like old Junk who had only 1 build.
The other builds can work but the issue is that essentially other healers would do a better job. Subjugation is basically what ended up setting her apart, hence why the caveat that its only that build which is ranked high.
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Ironic how the build pre-rework, is still the same build taken post rework, so much for build diversity.
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Except you don’t have infinite mana now, so it’s basically worse 
Lets also add that, pre rework w build whitemane was the queen of decision making with greater rewards and punishments. New whitemane has less busy of a mind, and is actually ended up weaker.
Whitemane required a lot of skill to have her infinite presence and she actually was not popular while being balanced more skillbased and rewarding.
Though now, you can spam Subjugation and shred armor, I wouldn’t say it’s the worse when W’s cooldown gets a reduction by 1.5s per Hero hit by E.
And not to mention Inquisition has a baseline cooldown reduction by 2, so from 14 seconds to 12 seconds.
Given Clemency for free as well.
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Okay im clearly being ignored…
Just obey to fan over logic I guess
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Just go dibbles and wrestle with him.
Its quite fun because if takes forever for one party to kill the other allowing your team to do all of the dmg or macro
Or a good jimmy 
55 damage after a searing lash is the equivalent of saying, “increase searing lash’s damage by 66%”
It’s quite the bump in damage.
I pick it for more consistent value and you can proc it twice with one e. 66% is just looks good on paper but if you want percentages, lashing out seems cooler.
I still dont believe in subjugation in most cases. Its cooldown is short but it is a very bad shrink ray in a teamfight. You need to continue casting w on the person who is dealing the damage-no tank- for only 50 debuff. Might sound good only to annoy butcher or defend yourself from zeratul or sylvanas when your team cant assist. Saintly great staff is generally the better option if whitemane cant safely cast w. W on lv13 and lv16 means, in many cases, winmore. But I respect double debuff.
And why would I need to care I’m just clarifying what Darak said? The question was what build was fan talking about and what showed up in tournaments. I don’t see why you need to take it personally?
It is such a benign comment I’m not here to get into discussion over.
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Yeah, the cdr is actually insane.
I mean, at that high level you don’t really need hundreds of levels to understand a hero. It is pretty easy for Fan to learn how a hero works and what should be the best build based on games with and against the hero, plus some testing. That is also true for most ex pro players/people who play at the highest levels. The only thing they will never really learn is specific interactions or situations, but for the rest it is pretty easy to transfer the knowledge onto another hero.
Heck, even I don’t need hundreds of games on a hero to understand it and to learn what talents are the best, and I’m not even that good.
Just go anub and cocoon him + kill the backline 
But yeah, the last buffs made him viable in comp. If Chogall gets to the late game (16/20) it is quite impossible to play against. If you draft good heroes to cover the early game and macro, you should be fine.
Why should I listen to Artosis about Zerg and Terran in Starcraft 2 when he only plays Protoss? Or for Protoss/Zerg in Starcraft 1 even though he plays Terran.
I’m not 100%, but pretty sure Fan is a high level player and streamer whose work and life revolves around HotS at a high level of play. That makes their opinion carry more weight.
Doesn’t mean they’re always right, but dismissing it “because they don’t play them” is a bit silly.
What reasons did they give that Whitemane is S tier/strong? Do these reasons make sense? Do they hold up in high level games?
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Or you know we’re just relaying what we’ve seen or heard for the discussion points. I don’t see why you’d need to shoot the messenger LOL. But that said, his opinion from what I’ve seen at least was also based on his own friends he plays with or players he’s familiar with and discussed along the line, probably in discord channel.
But either way it is just such a benign comment I don’t see why anybody has to get twisted over it LOL. Again why shoot the messenger.
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Cause that sends a message 
But honestly who even wants to main Whitemane at this point anyways. I mean levels and experience are kinda out of the window given how different the new one plays and frankly its just not appealing to the old players LOL. I mean are people really investing the same amount of time and effort they are with the reworked version? Are you gaining hundreds of levels with the new version? Or did they just move on to the other healers at this point…
I mean with the topic at hand with regard to how to play Whitemane like the old one, or enjoy her, the answer is you simply don’t as she plays more differently.
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Me, I like new Whitemane. I like her better. I rarely have mana issues, get good healing numbers, can do clutch heals, combo ults with teammates, set up combos at 20.
I never liked w build. The self root makes it hard to get full duration and value out of it. I prefer lash build, which got buffed in the rework. Baseline clemency helps with Mana tension, activatable trait is excellent with either ult.
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