While Garrosh is a very popular hero in competitive and seems to be fairly balanced all around, no one can argue that his talent tree is abysmal right now.
The disparity in all of his tiers is plain absurd. Like for example, his 1st tier where he has all of his damage talents. Warbreaker is just far surpasses the alternatives in nearly every way. Not only does it provide more damage than body check, but it also knocks 2s off the CD of groundbreaker as well allowing him acess to CC far more often. It has a shorter Cd than body check, more overall damage, and is far more consistent.
Another example is his 3rd tier full of situational talents that could be really good for the situations that they’re meant for. But the thing is, people hardly have reason to pick these talents due to Into the Fray being on the same tier. A universally good talent that seems hard for any of these damage mitigation talents to compete with. It provide an escape or engage for a teammate while also providing them with armor, it outshines the other talents in nearly every way. Mostly due to the fact that it’s one the very few ways in the game that allows a tank to directly save or aid a teammate, it’s a very powerful talent.
Point is, i think some of his talents could use some sprucing up to make them more competitive with eachother rather than only having one streamlined build path that’s viable.
P.S. Make body check baseline plz
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You don’t get bodycheck for the damage, you get it for the 60% slow and healing reduction.
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Yeah, a healing reduction that costs you Into the Fray and a slow you have to be near dead to apply.
Why r u trying to defend a crappy talent when im suggesting they try make it a good one?
Because I’m pretty sure you don’t use all of them if you’re saying this.
The 3rd tier talents are great, it’s not just into the fray, the other 3 are damage mitigation, damage mitigation and stop this bastard from being healed.
If you’re isolating and holding people down like a good garrosh then you don’t need fray to have someone chase foryou. If your teammates position properly you don’t need to toss them out of danger.
The only time I see into thefray being useful is when you want to winmore or you want to stop a dive composition harder, but even then you have taunt and a variety of disruption tools are close range.
The talents are simply different.
Not sure giving BC baseline is a good idea because you’d have it on top of other level 1 options.
That is an additionnal slow plus a burst ability at level1.I can’t see him not getting nerfed in retaliation.
Same thing with giving into the fray baseline.
I have, that’s why I’m saying this. The other two just offer a lot more in terms of utility as well as just simply being much easier to use and get value from.
Yeah, that’s why they’re picked less than a 10th of the time that Into the Fray is picked.
Yeah, a talent that you’d have needed to pick another talent to use.
Garrosh isn’t particularly mobile, so yeah, you’re most likely going to need a dps to chase for you.
Or if you’re teammates are the target of a coordinated dive, particularly a healer or a mage. Or if one of your melee like an Artanis or Maltheal needs a quick, unconditional, escape. Or heck, even if you need a quick ranged projectile in a minion wave to slow down a fleeing enemy.
Yeah, highly situational and not as effective talents. They need buffs. I don’t see why that’s a bad thing.
Just go on HoTslogs and look at his talent pickrates, they’re ridiculously slanted.
I sometimes think Garrosh talent pickrates look the way they look because otherwise you would die of boredom (baseline cooldowns). Piano Garrosh is the way to go.
Thats a big no. If hero is performing the way you say he is performing making anything baseline makes no sense.
- Brute Force could be made baseline (as long as you take Body Check).
- Make Unrivaled Strenght increase AoE (optionally instead of extra damage, who cares) and both lvl 7 debuffs work with E instead of Q/AA. This puts lvl 1/7 on totally different level.
Giving these 2 to Q/AA makes no sense for no gapclose hero like Garrosh (both debuff mostly ranged, lol).