There is one time I could say I got an undeserved temp ban (or as we call it in civilized society, a suspension)
It was right after I got back from a more deserved one, I think the system might have flagged me as a potential and gave me a LOT less leeway for reports, only 3 games back before I log off and find out Im suspende, I didn’t so much as curse at anyone in chat but I had played such an awful tank that they said they were reporting me for throwing even if it was in fact just me being bad plus being coutnered (muradin into a lucio hyper speed comp)
Came back to a suspension with trolling as the reason
well, at least they tell you something. i tried 2 times, my customer support wouldnt even reveal which part of my chatlog were indeed suspension worthy and just close the ticket after one simple reply that help nothing at all. so i totally have no idea how to improve, not to mention know where i did wrong.
for the last 2 suspensions, i didnt even talk much in game, not spamming pings, trying my best not to communicate with people unless they themselves are grieving. somehow i still got suspended lol
The players who suffer from the current system most are those who simply play frequently and spend a lot of time in the game, not those who consistently display bad behavior or sabotage the games on purpose.
It’s mostly about who gets to disagree with most people over something.
probably this too. i was playing alot because i was free, which is what they wanted. funny how im not playing anymore because of this small detail they didnt pick up
Just now picked Probius in aram and a 2 man party starts whining 15 seconds into the match. I’m only met with a single positive comment asking them to shut up, take things less seriously and learn to have fun.
About 5 min into the match its obvious how much they were overreacting, and I ask why I am outperforming both of them on such a weak hero. No response, only followed by hateful whispers post match. We lost over a single bad engagement despite maintaining the lead for 20 minutes. That’s two reports against me. I wonder how many more might accumulate over the weekend.
I don’t know what you got a ban for but Dota players aren’t very good at HOTS, it’s a completely different game with many different strategies, and if you advised others how to play or played HOTS as well as Dota ban you probably deserved it …
edit: if you are talking about me, i have played almost 6000 games in hots. yea, as what you said, there is a learning curve to hots, but it is not too hard. few hundreds game in and by learning from teammate everyone will eventually be able to tell each map’s quirk and what heroes are good or bad with it. and the flow of the game is also slightly different. dota actually has more similarity with LoL than hots.
but as a game, depth wise, i think dota actually has far greater depth, there is no doubt.
for e.g.
how many build do you think a diablo has? like the meta build, popular build etc.
and how many build do you think, let’s say, a sniper has? imo, it is actually unlimited, as long as the player are able to perform with the item, any item works, it is just about which item perform the best in that scenario.
I breezed over the comments in this thread, and all I have to say is that “toxic” is subjective…
The only time I was silenced in HotS was when I told a Butcher, who intentionally threw the game (after I REALLY went out of the way to make sure he got fed), EXACTLY what I thought of him in none-too-polite terms. If I had been asked who was toxic in that game, I would have ofc said it was him.
When the OP insists that he is not toxic, and is a good team player, I have no reason to doubt him.
You’re never silenced over only one game, even if every player reported you. Don’t get me wrong, I think the report system is very flawed, but it’s not so bad that you are punished over a single incident.
Forget us schlubs on the forum, do your friends think you’re toxic enough to be suspended? Like I told you, we’ve played together twice and you were fine in those games and not toxic at all.
Stop lying to yourself, because toxicty isn’t really subjective.
If you say to someone:
“You’re f noob/r-tard/id-ot” “You’re trash” “You suck”
Everyone would consider this as toxic, but there difference is that one guy would say it’s doable and the other don’t, but everyone knows it aggressive and toxic. In OP’s case his wordings could be interpreted similar, because he thought from his teamplayers as bad, even though he is right, but his actions can be seen as toxic and triggered people, so they reported him.
If only more players would understand this simple fact.
I know it’s not adressed to me, but I know a friend of mine, who really freaked out and raged sometimes in mobas extremely, but we still play together, even I can freak out from time to time. As I said before in an other topic, but this genre can turn people into beasts, because of the nature of the game: teamgame with strangers, where you need a lot of trust, which is hard.
Edit:
Everyone can simply test it themselves, if you play with your friends and you see mistakes, you will be less hard to them and overlook their mistakes, because you know them, but if you see stranger’s mistakes, you get triggered more, because you don’t know this people. At least this is my personal experience by myself.
Oh, it definitely was over a single game… They tell you exactly what you said that did it, and provide quotes.
hmm… Disagree. I’ve had people come at me like that, and I never considered it “toxic.” Annoying maybe-- especially when you agree to play support because no one else would…
On the other hand, if you go afk at the start of the game to take your dog outside, come back at level 8, and become angry when I ask you to “plz respect other people’s time” AND you THEN demand an apology from me for daring to say such a thing (lol), WHILE also threatening to afk for the rest for the game-- THEN I will most certainly report you for both being abusive and non-participation.
As far as I am concerned, a player can say what they want, up until the point that they are INTENTIONALLY trying to ruin the game.
vailnite is right, toxic is very subjective. you say what you do right now because that’s based on what you learnt, what you experienced and what you understand.
but the cool part of internet is that different people from different part of the world, different background and culture are connected through internet and different medium. so your reality might not applied to others.
in japan, answering your phone in train is considered rude.
and as i said, hots is the only game i have this issue with. and im playing dota right now, still have the perfect behavior score.
and that’s what mmr is for. mmr basically eliminates any people with certain action that shouldnt exist in that specific rank.
if you go to a road side hawker store, if the boss spat on the floor, vulgar language is always in one of his sentence, and use really cheap ingredient, that’s understandable.
but you cant and wont expect the same in a 5 star michellin restaurant.
ya, i do this too. until they inting, that’s the part i cant tolerate. i can still tolerate soft inting depend on how severe it affects the gameplay. but if they are OBVIOUSLY inting. that’s a no no.
Yes, I think most people would consider the things you listed as toxic; however…
…is pinging toxic? How much is too much?
If a Butcher is struggling on your team, and you say (verbatim) “Hey, go to top lane to farm meat”, is that toxic?
If a player doesn’t say or ping anything… but refuses to work as part of the team, and does their own thing the entire match to no great benefit, is that toxic?
Of the three things I just listed, opinions vary on whether or not they can be labelled “toxic”, because the very definition of the word is itself subjective.
No, it doesn’t… well, at least not in the way you mean.
hmm, maybe “action” is more appropriate. but “behavior” will also have effect to a certain extend too.
just like when you are in very high rank, when the player pool is small, if you are toxic, the players that will play with you and against you will know your behavior, and being toxic alot of the time will impact the game result indirectly because teammate might not be working well with the person who is toxic. not to mention some system like “avoid player” in overwatch or system that match make toxic player into the same lobby.
of course, this is by ignoring that toxic player’s skill. BUT, averagely speaking toxic people will have lower ranking compare to people who have the same skills as them.
there will be exception, but it will not be the norm.
That might have been what triggered the action, but even if all 4 players in that game reported you for abusive chat, that isn’t enough on its own. People have tested this, it takes at least 20 unique reports to trigger an account action. This means you were reported in games prior to the one you mentioned.
If players were silenced based on a single report there wouldn’t be a single person left playing HOTS.
It happened after a long break (2-4 months), so I don’t see that being possible, and from what their report told me, there was no mention of any other games… I am curious now though, so I do suppose I could ask them again.
