If it just goes on like this, then it will suck a lot 
Imagine preparing for this for weeks and then getting destroyed by a new patch. It would really really suck.
Yikes
And this is how you lose more and more players, orgs and everyone working to make hots better. Biggest yikes.
How does anyone have an advantage? The one trick doesnât have experience with the changed talents any more than you do.
I think you see âlearningâ as being the same as âadaptingâ, which is probably where our disagreement comes from.
You said should, and shouldnât, but none of this is is conclusive.
No patch has ever created that state. I donât think theyâre gong to start now.
No, if I did, I would be better than him. I win the very first match, where I donât know anything.
If I always won, then Iâm better than everyone else. And since everyone has the same information, I should logically keep winning. Thereâs no logical reason why I should lose.
In order to come up with a strategy, they have to have tested it.
Applies to you as well. But I never even mentioned what I find fun.
I expect Cassia nerfs. Not sure what they can do to D.Va without making her weak again. Theyâll probably adjust Gazloweâs Lvl 20.
Personally, Iâve won more games then I lost against Hogger. Iâve been doing well with Malthael against him. (And for some reason, people seem to forget that they can AA him while heâs spinning)
To be honest, most HotS players donât care about, or watch the pro scene. Even HGC had low numbers.
They have more experience on the hero, which means they can figure stuff out. It could also just be a damage boost, so nothing really changed, one trick still better.
Maybe. If adaptation means on the spot, then players they shouldnât need to adapt. Serious tournaments come from people learning and studying things for a period of time and then showing what they learned/practiced in the tournament. Tournaments arenât supposed to force players to learn new things on the spot, unless you make a tournament just for that purpose.
You gotta learn to play around the enemy team and what they draft or do ingame. That part of the game. But teams need time to study and practice the patch they are playing on.
So lets use adapt as you are using, that people are supposed to adapt on the spot. So, tournaments are meant to display what the teams prepped and refined during the season. Thatâs what makes great matches. When you throw a patch 3 days before the grand finals, and literally in the middle of the tournament, you shift the focus of the tournament from who prepped/refined better to who adapts better, which doesnât necessarily shows the best players/teams win.
Just because someone can learn a hero in 3 days doesnât mean he is better at the hero than someone who needs 7 days to learn the hero. Itâs like in your example, with your friend, just because you win against him in any new game, doesnât mean youâre the better player. Thatâs why it is not fair. (you might think it is fair since youâre winning that way, and if it was the other way around youâd always lose, but that just shows whoâs the better player).
One single small buff can create a whole new meta and change things completely, letâs not even talk about 22.
Exactly, you get the hang of it faster, then you start losing to the better player. Thatâs why time for practicing, prepping, studying etc is important, to show who is the better player, not the better adapter.
learning faster =/= better player.
Having the same information =/= fair.
People learn things on their own pace, some take a day, some take a week. Thatâs why you gotta give enough time for players to learn about the patch and all its details. You can literally make the worst team win with a patch before the match, and this is the most unfair thing ever.
Exactly why they need more time.
Neither did I. Iâm just talking about what is fair and how things work in esports, sports, life, etc.
This is standard.
I dont think having consistent 50k viewers excluding china in major tournaments is low numbers. CCL has consistent 4-5k viewers, only on major streams, not even counting the second ones. Also lots of players started playing again, also new players came etc etc. CCL was really good for hots, we all should support it, even if you donât watch it/care.
Saying what rcw said is literally saying you donât want the game to grow and hots can just die once and for all. Itâs like you donât care about the game.
Also the âno hgc = better patchesâ is just an easy illusion.
Itâs just sad that for a humongous corporation like Blizztivision, weâre on âI guess we just take whatever scraps we getâ modeâŚ
I hope it brings lvl 100 mastery rings.
So, patch or not, the one trick would have an advantage over you with that hero.
Adaptation isnât always on the spot, and it isnât always long term either. In order to thrive, you need both. Thatâs why daffodils are everywhere.
Not always. There are always early tournaments for games people donât know everything about yet. Or after changes like patches where in a game with 56+ characters, you cannot know what the meta will be until the tournament happens.
Take DBZ fighters for example. There havenât been any tournaments for a while after Covid. People only had a glimpse of the meta after the recent online tournament (100% U.I. Goku) And even then, all they have are the numbers. No one is sure what the meta exactly is. But they had almost no information until the tournament happened. And itâs not like itâs a new game.
I can agree with that point. But I donât think one situation is better than the other. If the winners were better at adapting to a new environment and won. Then they factually were the better team.
Why is it more fair to to advantage people who need more time over those who need less?
What you said was a bunch of heroes becoming Trash tier unplayable. One single small change canât do that.
Thatâs your opinion.
Again, same question. Why would you expect the worse team to win when everyone has the same information?
You donât get my point. You said teams would show up with untested strategies. They cannot showcome up with a strategy that they have never tested. It canât happen. If they have a strategy that they agreed on, then it means they did test it.
No, that was your opinion. When both participants have the same information , and the same time to adapt to a change. I donât see who itâs unfair for.
How does it compare to other MoBAs?
We discussed the situation with the teams and weâll be continuing with this schedule as-is.
The ccl is bold. Now itâs up to blizzard to make the hard choice. Slightly disappointed the ccl made the first punch so soon
Thatâs probably cause they got a schedule to follow as well, since it involves a lot of people, orgs, money etc.
Itâs about time! Also when can we receive word about the next in-game event? Iâve been patiently waiting for a long time. And why is Reddit so popular with the Devs? Why canât they communicate with us right here? We love all the Devs and donât bite! Thank you for the latest updates.
No mention about loss forgiveness or mm fixes⌠of course, as usual
Well it sort of works. A course may have a finite set of data, but that doesnât discount the fact that teachers can put out HOT-type questions. Idk if they donât usually put out unpredictable questions in tests where youâre from, but I can see Darakâs point.
If itâs really that struggling like you say Darak, then the tourney commission or whoever organize this CCL can also just delay the finals and give their participants some rest and more time to preparation. This works both ways.
Nope. Someone asked the ccl teams and they all voted to continue the games as planned. In fact, the teams didnât care and were all FOR the games to go on as scheduled with or without blizzard saying anything.
So in other words itâs also not Blizzardâs fault here, but from the ppl in the CCL, if some people cannot adapt in that small time frame they have. It would be only Blizzards problem, if this tourney event were organized by them, but Blizzard donât organize the tourneys, they just provide the engine / platform.
Yes it sure is. I donât mind, but so many people donât read the patch notes, the first few days after the patch lands will probably be so painful. 
If they even TOUCH rag I will destroy all life
Iâd accept a Rag update if it meant a new skin, but I know it wonât.
The HoTS e-sport scene is irrelevant. AI players as the biggest group by far will hardly care, most of QM/Brawl players do not care. Not even all SL players will care, and that is the smallest playerbase of all the modes.
Heck i remember hearing that even other Blizz devs not working on HotS were rather surprised that HGC ever existed.
What you will lose players over though is delaying patches or making it´s content focused on an extremy small group of players doing stuff with heroes in an extremely artificial environment, killing the fun for 99.9% of the playerbase where the hero/ability was not an issue.
Good riddance e-sport patches, you will not be missed.
Funny, cause everything back then was heavily focused on the casual play 