… Are you for real? WTF. That’s abusing the system in a nutshell.
Maybe report Blizzard as well, because they create toxic announcer like Alarak…ridiculous.
Using ingame features is a toxic behaviour. 
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The Alarak announcer is not toxic, he is the coolest cocky humiliating dude in the Koprulu sector, and probably in the whole universe.
If he had more than four fingers, I’d give him a high-five for bad*ss lines everytime I get killed or my team loses a fort.
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That’s quite ironic though or just double standards.
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I think this here is the hard part. Toxicity is down to the individual persons own definition.
I personally don’t mind if someone ping spam for attention (unless it’s pinging on top of me), swears or even make jokes at my stupid behaviour.
But I do find pinging me personally constantly off CD, having a go at me for their mistake or critiquing talent choices in non constructive ways are what I find toxic.
Honestly I hardly report people for abuse but report for AFK/INTing when they die 10+ times or AFK for no reasons or explanation
The system is a joke. People silenced in game can still use the Voice chat feature, they can use pings. If they are really so bad offenders, why are they still allowed to use other forms of communication? I’m not advocating here for the report system, it sucks, but it’s very inconsistent. Silenced players in game can also report for abusive chat.
It’s not much better on the forums. People silenced on the forums can still issue flags. Again it makes no sense. We’re supposed to believe someone did something to violate the TOS so bad they are silenced, they can only read the forums, but they are still allowed to issue flags. Just lol.
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came to laugh again
lol
I don’t think people getting reported for afk, inting etc get silenced, I think they get directly suspended.
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So three players queue together and one of them goes afk until kicked after moving a character out of the spawn zone, his mate makes things even worse for us by playing carelessly and we are down all forts and a keep within the first four minutes.
Once the guy returns and I openly say how I’m really not in mood for this and how I wish everyone more fun in the next match now that we have a four level deficit. Instead of staying silent or least apologizing, I get attacked by his two friends as if its my fault so I casually walk opposite of the enemy team to maximize my XP hoping for the game to end faster. The enemy team shows understanding that something is wrong and just ignores me by tunnel visioning one lane without resistance while rest of the team is raging in chat and chain suiciding, which they couldn’t even properly do in pair.
And of course I don’t even get punished based on fake reports over this, but instead I get hit by a truck for abusive chat. I usually play a lot of QM and I’ve experienced this at least 10 times over the last weekend alone.
To be fair the community makes this report system a joke. It’s a flawed system, obviously, but it’s still the best system for the situation we can get, but the internet culture abuse it and made it an absolute nightmare.
I mean just check out Joat’s comment on this topic. He’s part of the problem why this system is a joke.
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this report system should be outright removed, does more harm than good
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So trolls and toxic players can do what they want without punishment. Why not just shut servers down then insteed.
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It’s because they only punish toxicity indiscriminately but do almost nothing to reinforce good behavior. There is a large percentage of players who don’t even bother wasting their time reporting especially if it is a fresh account in question, knowing they’ll just be back in 15 minutes with no consequences. I don’t remember there being any entry level fee for playing aram at least, which is almost as popular as QM itself so this will continue to happen in perpetuity.
I’m not going to defend the system. It’s objectively terrible in about a dozen ways. It’s very capricious. Toxic is subjectively determined. There’s no opportunity anywhere in the process to defend yourself from accusations. They don’t tell you any information about what you specifically did to earn the action against your account.
We look at this sort of thing as a “justice system” for in-game disputes and there’s absolutely no due process in it anywhere. You can appeal, but they never give you enough information about the initial accusation to write a meaningful appeal.
As we speak, I’m now dealing with a suspension for the first time in over 20 years of playing Blizzard games (and my first on any platform or any gaming system from any company). I still have no idea what I actually did to get it. I know it’s against TOS to litigate it on the forums, so I won’t. But my opinion of the system itself is still valid to discuss. There is no due process.
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To also be fair, it was Blizzard’s decision to make the community be the police and judge of what is toxic behaviour. They didn’t want to spend the money, so we get this oddball system we have now.
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True. The best way to have a fair report system is to put people to analyse every single report, but this just can’t be done on this game now. This is the best we can have now, it’s sad that people just abuse this over and over again. And it is not just a small portion of the playerbase who abuses the system, which just makes things worse.
“well Darak, why don’t blizzard just hire people to look over reports?”
Well, they don’t want to invest in this game. I mean, I don’t blame them, who would want to invest in a game with a community abusing report system over and over again? And not even the report system, but other systems too. Matchmaker is another example.
“Well Darak, so why they don’t just disable the system if people are abusing it?”
Cause that would make things even worse.
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Exactly and that’s one of Activision Blizzard’s biggest mistakes as a company which exists long enough they should know the internet culture, especially if they could experience this over years on their own gaming platforms with DotA.
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This is true, but back when they had actual GM quote lines of offending chat on my friends tickets, I found out you can be banned for the most trivial things. It was awful too, as the GM would quote lines out of context to makes my friends look toxic. My friends would should the replay so I could see for myself.
There are many people who no doubt deserve a chat ban, but then many who don’t. That it’s more likely to punish people who play a high volume of games is another problem. You can have someone say the most racist, bigoted vile things, but if they only do so twice and not log back in for a few weeks, they are safe. But those who play ranked too much and are maybe too blunt and say stuff like “rotate and soak top lane”, “AA the immortal Valla”, “I’d rather you not pick Murky for this draft”, that can get you silenced.
I think context and volume of games should be taken into account, but apparently this will never happen. This discussion about the report system has gone on for years, I can’t seem them making any positive changes now.
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they can already, its called making a smurf account and then you add to the smurf problem with the toxic person still playing since you can make a ne account in minutes
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All too true, I think the report system they have actually encourages people to make smurf accounts. I’ve seen people say so here on the forums, that they make smurfs to avoid chat bans and keep their accounts safe. Worse still, some people burned by chat bans create smurf accounts to simply troll.
Again the system is bad, but they aren’t listening, don’t think it’s a problem or don’t care.
It would be nice to look away from toxicity if the given context enables it, but rules are hard to make on subjective approaches and imagine how many reports should be analysed by a team of real ppl doing nothing but this for all the reports every day and even then, context can be interpreted differently by individuals.
Is it that hard to not sound toxic if your words are taken out of context? Imo not really.
I’m playing since Closed Beta, regularly, I often use the chat (shotcall, educate, argue), was threatened by many reports, still wasn’t silenced not even once. Imo because I avoid words or phrases that could be taken out of context. No rage, no flame, no swear words, no belittling.
It’s not enough to not “mean to be mean”. You need to sound in a way that cannot be interpreted as toxic.
In a perfect world, the Report system could be better, more understanding and forgiving. But in that world we wouldn’t need any.
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