You were good before. Why have you turned to the dark side?
(Which is a very funny thing to say considering we are talking about defending warlock here)
You have Alzheimers!
Mage wasn’t nerfed in RoS.
But a key neutral in Warrior was. Because the Warrior Elysiana mirrors were a problem with broadcasting the game. It wasn’t a balance problem, and it still got nerfed.
PS. The person who gives earthquake warnings is not necessarily giving an opinion on whether they think positively about said earthquake.
While priest lose more against warlock, it wins way more against any other deck, which are basically 85% of the meta. Thus priest is largely advantaged compared to warlock. By that statement, Priest should be nerfed, not warlock.
What? CC was nerfed during it. Also wasn’t Pocket Galaxy buffed and then Re-nerfed before Saviours came out? It was a while ago I can’t remember.
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I think you have alzheimer. Conjurer calling was nerfed. and pocket galaxy . Please double check before making a fool out of yourself.
Except that there are other meta/slightly off meta decks that beat control Priest though? Spell Mage, DH, Weapon Rogue, etc.
You should go get checked. You are not cognitively there.
Have I, though? I find the argument that a Tickatus nerf is likely (and even beneficial) for the meta compelling. But it’s only compelling because of what data are available on the issue, and the patterns in those data from day 1 of the expansion to today.
To be 100% honest, I don’t care if Tickatus gets nerfed or not. Over the last week or so, I’ve played Menagerie Priest, Secret Rogue, Soul DH (working on Sigil achievements), Libram Paladin (with Invigorating Sermon, also for achievements), and Kibler’s self-mill Warlock (also for achievements). None of those decks have an issue against bog-standard Control Warlock, so if Tickatus remains unnerfed my personal ladder experience will remain the same. And that isn’t really a bad thing, because I’m still having fun.
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Weapon rogue would easily be counterable by the inclusion of two ooze. These are not real counter, it just that these deck are not enough played that priest would bother with them. I don’t know for spell mage, isn’t priest the deck with the most heal?
Have I, though? I find the argument that a Tickatus nerf is likely (and even beneficial) for the meta compelling. But it’s only compelling because of what data are available on the issue, and the patterns in those data from day 1 of the expansion to today.
To be 100% honest, I don’t care if Tickatus gets nerfed or not. Over the last week or so, I’ve played Menagerie Priest, Secret Rogue, Soul DH (working on Sigil achievements), Libram Paladin (with Invigorating Sermon, also for achievements), and Kibler’s self-mill Warlock (also for achievements). None of those decks have an issue against bog-standard Control Warlock, so if Tickatus remains unnerfed my personal ladder experience will remain the same. And that isn’t really a bad thing, because I’m still having fun.
Its cool that you can play so many decks. I also like self mill warlock, very fun and original deck to play. Its also run tickatus though. I do care , not because I’m so attached to tickatus, which doesn’t win me nearly as much game as Jaraxxus or Neeru, but because I think the philosophy of nerf should be according to game balance, and not depend on a crying minority of priest expecting to become the next meta tyrant, or on people losing in a flashy fashing to 10 card mill.
Please stop, its painful to watch. I feel pity for you. I can’t post link because I don’t have the thrust level 3 but just type on google conjurer calling and pocket galaxy nerf and you 'll find plenty of evidence; If you can’t even do that, then you’re beyond saving.
That was the first round of nerfs.
There we’re 2 during RoS.
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Care to explain how they were playing it at 3 mana in SoU Masters Tour Korea?
The patch that nerfed Conjurer’s Calling and Luna’s Pocket Galaxy came out during Saviors of Uldum, not Rise of Shadows (RoS). So Marcoscongas’ statement that mage wasn’t nerfed during RoS is correct.
The only nerfs during Rise of Shadows were to EVIL Miscreant, Raiding Party, Preparation, and Archivist Elysiana (all in this patch). There was also a second balance patch with buffs, and one nerf to Reckless Experimenter.
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Priest win rate is down, and paladin winrate is up, larguely because warlock is so present in the ladder till high legend. Priest right now is overall in the dumpster, which is letting certain classes run wild, which is choking so many other classes , mostly because priest can get a hold on the meta because warlock is so popular.
And yes, priest has a lot of unfavorable matchups.
The answer being, nerf tickatus. Powerful or not, tickatus is part of the knot holding the meta back. BTW, VS prevision of a nerf to tickatus come with a suggestion for a nerf in priest and DH too.
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Guess that one was a little tricky to remember then but yes it’s correct. It was during uldum cycle.
Maybe because it was a little too early in uldum i guess.
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The “second” one you’re remembering didn’t happen until Uldum.
Conjurer’s Calling and Luna’s Pocket Galaxy weren’t nerfed until August 26th:
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No. That kills the deck. Paladin has crap draw and they are dead on opening if they don’t draw board presence. Besides, both of those spells are on par with the value you get from mage, warlock, priest, or similar plays. The don’t discover a minion that discovers a spell that discovers a minion…
As someone who has played this deck a ton, the sword is the problem. You can kill the sword and the deck is still strong, but not overpowered.
Priest and warlock have plenty of control, but the auto-play secret while face damage then penalized that removal by replacing the minion or buffing another one or stopping the removal altogether. The sword is far and away a larger problem than either of the cards you mentioned.
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Hang on…weren’t you arguing FOR a Tickatus nerf? On the basis it WASN’T fun? Why is VS advocating for a nerf (because they feel it polarises the meta, a fair enough argument) ridiculous?
For the record, I still think it shouldn’t be nerfed. Feel like the meta would get worse as a result, not better. Nobody wants Priest to balloon in playrate. Priest mains may think they do, but they’d get sick of the mirrors. Given recent meta developments, Paladin should probably get nerfed, and MAYBE Mage and Warrior, and nothing else.
It was right after the release of uldum, when the old meta was still in place. This is the reason for the confusion.
Doesn’t change the fact that only mage and warrior were played. Warrior was absolutely obnoxious to play against, beat everything and had doctor boom at 7 mana. Even after the nerf at 9 mana, the deck was still unbeatable unless it drew badly.
So my point still hold. We had meta that were much more polarized and ‘‘unhealthy’’ as the current one.
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Hang on…weren’t you arguing FOR a Tickatus nerf? On the basis it WASN’T fun? Why is VS advocating for a nerf (because they feel it polarises the meta, a fair enough argument) ridiculous?
For the record, I still think it shouldn’t be nerfed. Feel like the meta would get worse as a result, not better. Nobody wants Priest to balloon in playrate. Priest mains may think they do, but they’d get sick of the mirrors. Given recent meta developments, Paladin should probably get nerfed, and MAYBE Mage and Warrior, and nothing else.
I was indeed arguing for it, during Dotmf, because at that time Warlock had dark skies and
plague of flame . I was playing solely paladin. The matchup was unwinnable, everything you dropped was removed on the spot and there was nothing you could do.
Now that warlock lost galakrond, plague of flame and dark skies, it’s early game ain’t so good anymore. Warlock can’t survive aggro unless he burn his own deck to get Barrens scavenger and the quillboar lifesteal. Warlock can’t just play the passive game and be rewarded, he has to choose between super greedy archetype that destroy priest (most of the time) or tricky self mill that lose to more control oriented deck but do okay against the rest of the meta.
Also, during that time, there weren’t deck that could do nearly as much dmg from hand consistently like spell mage or face illidan.
I explained why its ridiculous, won’t repeat myself. read my first post on the thread.