Powerful, yes. It shouldn’t even necessarily be easy to clear.
It shouldn’t just win you the game on the spot.
Powerful, yes. It shouldn’t even necessarily be easy to clear.
It shouldn’t just win you the game on the spot.
The tony Jailer combo doesn’t win the druid the game on the spot if his opponent has been applying pressure the whole time and has a board developed. Dropping Anubrik’han + Tony + Jailer basically says “ok now you’re on a timer. If you don’t kill me right now you’re gonna die. I’m ending this game one way or another”
However, on that turn the druid drops all of his shields to make that play. The jailer makes his tony immune sure, but it removes any taunt protection he has. If you have enough damage on board you can just hit face for lethal. I’ve done that multiple times over the past few days playing aggressive lists. I’ve been on both sides of the fence here. Tony druid is vulnerable to aggressive decks. It doesn’t handle wide aggressive strategies all that well. And the hero power and armor package only does so much to protect them. Paladins, face hunters, aggro mages, demon hunters, totem shamans, and aggressive priest lists are all very good at just killing a tony druid before he gets a chance to combo. Look at the win rates of druid right now. Tony druid is the ONLY deck it has. It’s sitting at close to the bottom of the pack right alongside mage and warrior in class win rate.
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No, the whole point is you find that fun. People play those games to have fun.
If you don’t find it fun, then you could have just left it with this part.
This.
Outside of something like quest priest, I agree that things like astalor, sire, etc., are over tuned.
when you start with speculation it makes the rest of your post meaningless.
could easy put a motive on you as well.
as Knappo wrote, its a hole archetype it cancels out.
Do you understand what thousands of viewers means, hundreds of thousands of views on videos?
How are you consistently this stupid?
Are you asking this about yourself?
Because, again, “thousands of views” doesn’t really mean anything when there are several hundred thousand people that don’t view, never have viewed, and legitimately don’t care to view.
You seem to think it’s causally related to other things, but have shown nothing to support that other than your suppositions based on your personal beliefs.
The fact that you believe something is popular isn’t an argument with any merit.
There are hundreds of very popular games that have zero competitive scene and zero presence on twitch or similar places.
All the top selling games are played on Twitch, and there is a reason devs give advance copies to streamers and YouTubers.
You just desperately want to be a counterculture hipster, and it’s really pathetic.
And gee, I haven’t heard a version of “I’m rubber, you’re glue” as a comeback since kindergarten. Am I arguing with a grade schooler? Because I’m gonna feel really bad if I am.
So? Is your implication that Twitch is a causal reason for this or that there’s a correlation between a good game and people interested in that game?
Yes, the same reason they make trailers, send promotional emails, and advertise on reddit. It’s called marketing.
Lol. I think hipsters are absolute dipsticks, crappy parents, and responsible for the destruction of many of the best bars in the world.
I think sitting around watching other people play video game is dumb. That’s not a “counter culture” point.
How embarrassing that you’re still getting owned if you were, right?
The views on twitch have no causal relationship to the success or failure of a game.
Tell me you don’t understand the purpose of marketing without telling me…
The fact that you think you’re winning this argument at all is absolutely hilarious, much less owning. Blizzard is absolutely confirmed to talk to higher level players and streamers about balance. People like Kibler have in-roads in the company. And of course they do, because they’d be stupid not to take advantage of that resource.
I guess you think you’re just better than all those players, despite being, what? Silver?
… While some people like twitch, more people give no care to it. The existence of marketing outside of your beloved and worship stream gods suggests that blizzard clearly knows that reach is insufficient to meet their needs, much less GROW their game.
The funny part is that you ignored all the salient points and pointed questions because the answers don’t help your myopic and wrong headed view.
This isn’t even relevant to this topic.
And I asked if you thought this relationship was causal. You failed to respond.
This is the issue we are talking about, the role of twitch as a measure of success.
Twitch could fold tomorrow and it would have little to no impact on who plays hearthstone the day after that. Stop acting like twitch matters to any wider audience.
I said they’re irrelevant to the majority of the people that play this game, not that anyone was better. How Erling Haaland strikes the ball doesn’t affect my local men’s league games, mate, and that’s the wider issue. I’ll still go play Sunday mornings with the lads even if the premiership folds because I like the game.
Are tossers. I’ve watched just a couple bits of theirs and I lol’d. I’d think you lads would have petitioned to have him removed for his false adverts on what works, only showing you the three out of three hundred times his bad decks play out as advertised. It’s sad, really.
I don’t find it entertaining or interesting, and if you took a random poll of players, not forum lurkers and posters, the whole player base, I bet most of them would respond that they don’t even know who kibbler is, mate. That’s the bigger point. Twitch means next to nothing.
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No, the issue we are talking about is whether or not Blizzard cares about a Hearthstone competitive scene. Go back up to the first post of yours I responded to, where you dismissively scoff at any competitive scene… a competitive scene Blizz actively supports and holds tournaments for, and develops relationships with the top contestants.
You keep saying it means next to nothing. Blizzard quite clearly disagrees with you, so as always, you’re insistence on being a malcontent simply for its own sake amounts to nothing.
No, the issue is barely anyone cares about any competitive game scene, much less this one. Using that a barometer for the success of the game is a faulty approach.
Is that why they are spending millions fostering the biggest and best competitive scene out there? Losing money to attract new customers with their fance competitive scene?
Oh, wait, no, they aren’t. They don’t care, neither do I, and neither do a majority of the players.
Disagreeing with your crap takes doesn’t make me a malcontent.
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Turn 6 Tony, Turn 7 Steamcleaner. game Over. Yeah, that’s OP, DUH.
That’s why the game is dying too. Nerfing an entire classes Discover pool? Dumb. Allowing ridiculous recursion in Mage? Tony 2 card game ender if you can’t beat them by turn 7? BAD.
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I’ve had Tony played against me twice, both times with Jailer. It’s a STUPID design and I can’t believe they let THIS live but nerfed the crap out of Renethal. To add insult to injury, you can’t undo it by casting another Tony. BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN made me ragequit both times b/c once was bad enough, but finding out he doesn’t cancel out that second time is almost enough to make me quit the game forever.
From now on, I will ragequit the instant an opponent plays Tony until they remove it from the game.
This is what druid has become, auto–lose vs aggro and auto-win vs control. Boringass class with zero relevant decision-making
When the card is made immune by jailer there is no way to swap back. Playing a Tony you have in hand won’t reverse the effect.
In reality Tony Druid doesn’t have a matchup better than 67% or worse than 28%. Even outside of Tony Druid, I went looking for lopsided matchups and the worst I could find was a 81-19, and one of those was a meme deck. I’m not trying to act as if those numbers aren’t polarizing, but there’s no such thing as auto-wins or auto-losses in this meta. In past metas 95-5 matchups have been a thing.
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Of course I was being hyperbolic, but it’s been like this for two years against druids, you either vomit minions early or die agains a very reliable combo on turn 7-8. Their massive armor gain often puts them out of reach of burn decks as well.