Paying doesn’t make you win, and people can win without paying - such as Definition, a F2P player who played in a World Championship.
Whether you feel it’s easy enough is beside the point.
You’ve got it backwards bro. It’s not your (our) job to explain to them why the game isn’t P2W. Or to prove them wrong.
The burden of proof is on them to show us (and really, Blizzard) why the game is P2W or why it’s bad and needs changing.
And I maintain my suggestion/offer to those people on how they might do it: pay somebody to win.
We’ve seen plenty of “f2p accounts”, where someone usually experienced starts a fresh account and reaches legend or whatever without spending money.
So what the “game is p2w” people should do is create an account that is the opposite: pay somebody who is super clueless, but make them legend simply by throwing untold amounts of money at the account.
No troll. I seriously want to see somebody willing to put their money where their mouth is.
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Hearthstone - along with most of the digital CCGs of the modern CCG market - is not and never has been “Pay to Win”. There is nothing in the game that cannot be obtained using free in-game resources, and there are always T1 “budget” decks that have existed in every meta.
What d-CCGs are, however, is “Pay for Increased Variety”. With some common sense, self-restraint, and basic amounts of budgeting and planning anyone can obtain over 85% of the cards in every expansion for free. This is more than enough to compete and for good variety.
But … it doesn’t give you EVERY card in the set and the acquisition difficulty curve on the final 15% of the cards in every set is high. Getting to 85% of a set is almost face-roll-on-the-keyboard easy. Getting to 100% (for free) is a long, dedicated slog.
Now - CCGs are games that are DESIGNED to be played with INCOMPLETE collections … so most people with a couple brain cells to rub together will quickly realize that it is neither required nor even advisable to get 100% of the cards in every CCG set that comes out. That is a goal only for the Whales or dedicated collectors. Everyone else can do just fine by using the cards they get.
OOOOOR…!
If a person feels (for whatever reason) that they MUST have “all the cards” in order to be happy then they can pay as much (or as little) as they want extra in cash to fill in the gaps of their collections without having to spend hours and hours every day grinding.
Its a perfectly fair and equitable system that allows every player to design their spend around their own personal tastes and means.
The ONLY people who are unhappy with this system are the people who have (A) decided they MUST have 100% of ALL CARDS in EVERY EXPANSION and (B) who don’t want to spend the time grinding F2P and ( C) don’t want to spend any money either. This is a tiny fraction of human beings, and there is no reason to cater to these unreasonable people.
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Some ppl have different definitions of what pay to win means.
To me it means a permanent advantage from spending $$$.
To others it means any temporary advantage from spending $$$.
Its just like the definitions of tempo and aggro and all that. Its differs a bit for ppl so this is why we cant agree.
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i think what they actually mean is that there are certain high cost decks in the 10-15k range which have been strong like control warrior decks in the past which only 5-10% of f2p players would ever be able to afford or buy everytime a new expansions comeout, throwing out the old meta.
No, what it means is “I only lose because the game isn’t fair” which is the same tired story behind almost all of the topics here.
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Good blizz pet, viciously attacking the malcontents.
Even Wardrum has the good sense to acknowledge that there’s more nuance to it than this, and that dude’s about as white knight as it gets.
Laughable. If you don’t want to cook your food yourself and hired a chef to cook it, is it called pay-to-live? If you don’t want to drive yourself and hired a driver, it’s called pay-to-move? And if you don’t want to spend 3 hours to play a game and decided to buy your rewards for $3 which guarantees no wins, it’s call pay-to-win? If you don’t win but rather win half of the time and still don’t have increased advantage, how is it pay-to-win, may I ask? The RNG and “skill” is unavoidable even if you have a deck with only Legendary cards you can still lose due poor skill and understanding of RNG.
Life is, generally, pay-to-win.
You pay money and get progress/resources/benefits that you otherwise would not have.
I’m not saying HS is some uber P2W game like that Star Wars mobile game from EA or AFK Arena or stuff like that, but there’s more to it than just having ZERO p2w elements.
I like the sliding scale analogy, not this black-and-white approach to bashing everyone over the head with.
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You can buy a huge toolbox, can you guarantee wins? There are always people who knows better, you bought the best food, and you don’t know how to cook it, can you win the cooking contest? No. And HS cards are nerfed and balanced often if you have no skills and understanding of RNG you still lose. P2W = you are winning SOLELY because you payed, no skill, no dice rolls, direct advantage crushing your opponent. But that’s exactly false in HS.
That’s the black-and-white definition that I disagree with.
Pay-to-have-some-kind-of-advantage is obnoxious to type. There’s nothing wrong with saying that a game has elements of p2w to it. In this case, that’s just how CCGs are. HS even COMBATS the p2w nature of traditional CCGs by allowing players to dust and craft cards. I sure couldn’t do that with my Pokémon cards to get whatever I wanted back in the day. Only the most insecure HS fans take that as some kind of personal insult that they MUST defend against.
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Again, laughable. I am here to educate people who rate HS one star to tell them they are WRONG. The cards are deadly expensive and spending three hours to earn $3 of progress is already great in a free game. There is always black and white, no in-betweens, or they are the worst to be in the MIDDLE.
I definitely agree with this. Most CCGs have facets of “P2W” that give some degree of advantage to players who sink money into them, especially with as volatile as metas have been lately it helps to have a broader range of good decks to play.
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Then do it on the google play store or something. Those people aren’t here lol
Can I reply to the reviews? No! I cannot reply to the madness of these jobless people. They are always here blasting threads around “P2W Blizzard robbed me!” they will eventually come here, blast their arrogant comments, and be educated and understand not everything should and would be free and have micro transactions in HS doesn’t make it 100% P2W.
Me doth smell some trolling?
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People have different views, they have different evidence which ONLY supports their claim. This is what we learned in Elementary school. If you believe there are in-betweens because they are taking evidence from both sides and will be blamed by both sides which will not be the best situation you want.
Except people are capable of consider thoughts outside of their own biases all the time and assess things more objectively.
It’s called critical thinking.
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Guess you are one, good luck and be prepared to be blamed by both side.
I’m already well acquainted with it. I prioritize being correct and finding truth over blind devotion to one side of an issue though, so I’m cool with it 
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