If you read the whole post, you know that I mean a higher value for the mana cost than previous cards is not powercreep by itself.
It’s about synergy and the pool of cards in the format.
No one cares about how a 4 mana 4/5 did well in standard, because it’s already in wild now and every card in standard is a lot better now. In wild, many of the OP cards were unnerfed, so they are about the same level.
MTG and Runterra does the same and few people complain, because it’s the natural part of every game. Everything would get boring if new cards aren’t somehow slightly better than new ones.
i am pretty sure that is not what the OP said at all, but ok lets start off the thread by purposely miss quoting people.
Actually, that’s exactly what the OP said. Here’s the third sentence of the OP:
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See above.
On top of that, I get to max mana during plenty of matches.
But I believe there has to be some reasonable limit, some ceiling for the power and effects of cards. This game has pushed the power of cards to a point that curve doesn’t matter. Smart trades don’t matter. There is just too much of everything in the game now.
I have never subscribed to the adage that if: “everything is broken then nothing is.”
Honestly, it sounds like some sort of idea that a planet killing Capitalist would endorse.
“Everyone is destroying the planet so we shouldn’t feel bad about Ourselves or do better.”
so why not say that instead of being condescending?
I always find it interesting how any sarcasm on my part is somehow such a sin when threads full of absurd hyperbole are deemed perfectly reasonable.
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No, that’s not what I mean.
Your example is the same as “everything is bad, so there’s no reason to be good.” But that’s not the case.
Curve and smart trades DO matter, but they aren’t the core of the game now as there’s a lot more going on.
What you care about isn’t power level, but the simplicity of the game.
Answer cleverly to a stupid post : no-one bats an eye, answer with the same amount of stupidity and the guy will use it against you.
Art of being right 101.
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I think the power level has destroyed the simplicity of the game.
The power levels are positively sick now.
Smart trades do still matter absolutely.
The issue is that some players are stuck on old math about what is a smart trade. They complain that paladin smashed their face by turn six and didn’t interact with their board… but what did you put out that the paladin needed to address? What minion was played that would lethal faster or upend the inevitability of victory?
It’s not that trades are dead, it’s that if you are going to die first it is up to you to clear the board, not me.
So you come at him with wrong information and then you want to tell him to be nice?
Lol.
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Players defending the power levels of cards makes no sense to me.
There is no doubt that the power creep is real.
I believe the game should pare some effects and stats away before they print new ones.
I asked my neighbors about this conversation (they are long time MTG players)
and they said that powercreep eventually kills every game.
I don’t know if that’s true but I do think that this game could stand to be dialed back significantly.
Why? The game is really fun right now, lol. I mean, I know others don’t see it, but there’s going to be plenty of new decks rolling in the coming weeks.
I really think they are going to solve a rush warrior that will knock down some of the paladins, who are only having their day because almost all other classes have abandoned the board in the early game. They may play some minions, but the board isn’t a core strategy (see no minion mage, for example.).
This is likely true, but if you go play classic you will find that there is ample, broken power there too and it hasn’t killed HS yet.
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IDk. What I do know is this is the first expansion where I just don’t feel like playing much. The power levels in every class are senseless.
When you can do 15 mana’s (Hyperbole. Not sure what is actually possible, just know it’s way too much) worth of effects on turn 4 or so, then the game has gone too far.
100% untrue at this point and always has been untrue in terms of DoL. I literally tested this yesterday and had 3 games where I had literally the miracle opener with it(RSW, coin, DoL, Incanter’s Flow, and a runed orb and then drew into the second Incanter’s). Was a nice time drawing 3 Deck of Chaos and then when the opponent played Tickatus he burned another. Over the 15 total games I think I saw everyone’s complained about card ONCE(Nagrand Slam) and it didn’t even matter as the opponent had a board. I did get a Survival of the Fittest a few times…and no minions to use it with.
I think you’re misquoting what Deck of Lunacy does as it isn’t “3 mana discount for every card in your deck” which would be pretty OP. No it’s “turn your cards into random cards that cost 3 more retaining their cost” and if you actually look at the deck that was the highest win rate and look at the cards those cards turn into you would see the math doesn’t support the sad, sorry claim that it was OP.
Are you addressing the Op? I think DOL is probably ok at this point, but what the nerf did was what I predicted it would do.
It merely changed which busted class is on top, because the entire expansion is nothing but OP powercrept cards, so balance is impossible.
All you can do with nerfs is change which class wins most sickeningly.
Paladin has a 60%-80% win rate against every class. It’s outrageous. Fun game.
You might want to blame the other expansions (Scholomance and Outland) more so than Barrens. The Core Set and Basic/Classic moving out also plays a big part.
At this point I’m thinking more Darkmoon Faire cards are having an impact than Barrens.
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I agree with you. I used the word expansion when what i meant is the entire Standard lineup. I did not have the proper word:)
2014 or classic, or any expansion isn’t a measuring ruler for what is OP & what’s not. The balance should be depended on the difference between the cards in the pool of available cards and how they synergize with each other.