Knowing if n when to play a card n use its effects is entirely skill.
You clearly don’t understand what the word skill means.
Next yall will be like
“Poker has no skill! But please ignore the fact that the big dogs in that card game are consistently the same people.”
Yeah, just like breathing is a skill for humans and creating oxygen is a skill for trees.
It’s not about the skill of the player deciding whether or not to play a card; it’s about the effect of the card when played and how it interacts within the game. By your logic, a player could turn the simplest vanilla card into a “skillful” one. Not playing Yeti because the opponent’s class has a 4-mana spell that deals exactly 5 damage, so instead, opting to play a 3/6 minion instead. Is the Yeti skillful here or the player? And if it’s the player does it mean that the Yeti is also suddenly turned skillful by your logic?
I am aware of the word.
You are not aware of what makes a skillful card.
… this is some copium at it’s finest.
“Hmm, I’m dead without some massive swing. Guess it’s time to drop ol’ yogg and pray.”
Such skill.
Highly skilled at games of chance is an oxymoron. There is no skill in yogg.
That is patently false. What are the best decks? Handbuff Paladin, Tempo Druid, Zoo Hunter, Flood Paladin, Zarimi Priest, Painlock, Insanity Warlock.
What those decks have in common? All are based on strong cards/combos that allow them to secure victory quickly or dominate the game in a repeatable way. Yes, there might have a RNG effect here and there like Amanthul in Zarimi Priest or Marin/Yogg in Tempo Druid but generally they end the game without them.
People are just lying to themselves to make themselves feel better. If the game was so random we would not have same people getting high legend finishes month after month. There is a reason that people like Thijs, Pizza or NoHandsGamer has been performing well for years and it’s not because Blizzard is propping them or whatever people are telling themselves after they lose to Plague DK.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Otherwise good players would not be winning at poker (an RNG game if there was one) consistently, everyone would be winning about the same.
And the power of Yogg is not in his RNG. Are there games when Yogg wins a lost game? Sure, but most of the time Yogg wins through it’s powerful effects like stealing a Zilliax or board clearing. And yeah, sometimes Yogg loses the game that was one by casting a Wheel of Death or something.
There is ZERO skill in a slot machine
Meh just do your monthly grind and enjoy the game for what it is afterwards. There’s only thing that is for sure about getting very high on the ladder. The insane amount of time needed to get there and stay there long enough to get the points necessary to qualify for the minimal tournament support.
Poker? where there is a stable, defined set of cards and you can calculate odds? where you are face to face with your opponent and reading the opponent is the skill?
I agree, there is skill to poker.
But this isn’t poker. Not even close.
Tell yourself this. Yogg is a literal slot machine. No one knows who will benefit more until after the spin. There is zero skill in yogg. These are the cards that are killing the game.
People aren’t saying that. They are saying all the discover and random is covering up skill.
Just flag that troll and leave it be. The last thing we need is for it to post more deluded fever dreams in rambling screeds of nonsense as it’s often want to do.
It’s a game of who has more time to invest into playing. This is like 90% of their placement.
As long as you are not braindead and have a lot ofd time to play - you’ll have high placement.
Since streamers do it as their job, hence the results.
This is just ridiculous.
I’ve played lots and lots of poker at tables against humans. I’ve won multiple local tournaments and have a good friend who played professionally for many years.
Comparing HS and poker is apples to oranges. Poker is much, much more skill expression specifically because it doesn’t have the random crap I mentioned in the post above.
these are all things that cover up skill.
Every time you add another layer of random past card draw, you lower the skill and increase the impact of rng until you get to this version of HS that is rapidly becoming as skill testing as a slot machine. Every time you have the chance to add another outlier, you increase the chance that outliers will decide your game. That’s what discover does - dilutes skill in the extreme.
The odds change every time you add a layer like HS does. I know my outs in poker and the only thing that changes them is known cards… like when another is dealt to the table.
Especially when the insanity of rng can ruin your efforts despite your better skill.
You only have to look as far as the Paveling Book to know how RNG effected the outcome of a World Championship. Of course that had more to do with Ice Block existing for so long as a standard card before finally getting shipped off.
FTFY:
It was the Polymorph high roll that was the bigger of the 2 Paveling Book high rolls in that series.
E: And watching the series again, Ice Block was not even generated by the book. the paveling book meme is Polymorph into Firelands Portal off consecutive Books, as perfect answers for the board Amnesiac had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0istFgefM
Where the Paveling Book meme originates.
Fair enough. I was trying to remember off the top of my head. I probably should have looked it up. Either way it was all about the books in that series.
Yes, poker is less RNG based than HS. I don’t understand how many times I can repeat the same thing: similar in some respect does not mean equal. As it is obvious you are being obtuse on purpose I will let you be so.