I started conceding today 5 games in a row and the opponents never dropped in skill. I went to Battlegrounds and the MMR there seemed more reasonable.
It’s as if people hate Standard this meta, unless they’re tryhards.
SOLVED: I was wrong, I just didn’t play well a rogue deck.
I would not know, because I have not played Standard in quite awhile, but I predicted that there would be seasons where there are mostly only diehard Standard players to play against.
You might be getting a glimpse of what Standard will always be like within a few years or less.
Given the state of the game, how do you attract and retain new players to Hearthstone?
You have a point, is that that’s how dying old games look like. Only a handful of old veterans logging in.
Why would any new players join a 13 year old game?
And even if they did join, why would you think that you, who are a veteran player, would ever play against them?
Assuming it’s Veteran to play since 2023, it shouldn’t matter, after losing/conceding a lot.
You realize you still probably played hundreds more games than an actual new player right? The rating system will never pair you against them.
just 5 games won’t do it.
500 games wont do it.
I played 99% wild for the last year. the only standard was quests using standard mechanics ie imbue, dark gift etc,and I played the easiest deck to source ie quite often blizz prebuilt deck.
if a quest required x high number of whatever cards I would build a deck with as many possible x cards to play before I lost.
that was probably enough to give me 1 obvious non-veteran every 20 games.
Match is determined by MMR, so it makes sense that you would not see significant changes in your opponents with a long match history.
Drops if you lose or concede.
Not to the extent that you believe it does.
The longer your track record, the more stable it becomes. Think of it like an average where every time you add a similar score it has less and less impact.
Winning or losing to a relatively similar opponent does very little to change your match.
You can’t possibly expect to notice a difference in MMR between your opponents before or after conceding 5 games, it just doesn’t change that much
I can literally troll for a month and a half and still hit my usual spots when I stop and decide to pick up a normal deck
What’s probably going on, apart from unplayable Standard meta, is…Summer! Every summer only veterans are playing. Normal people find seasonal work or go to vacations
Maybe it contaminated itself when I went top 350 once. It wasn’t really the rank I’d deserve at the end of the month. I rarely try even for dumpster legend at the end of month.
Probably have better luck the later in the month it gets, unless you’re already in legend, as the veterans will almost all have reached legend by then…unless they intentionally lose to stay in the lower ranks
It didn’t.
The effect you’re trying to explain is entirely psychological and imagined, and it’s a result of one or multiple changes in both you and your environment:
Final effect is a result of the sample getting better, I suppose, so when calculating the new total MMR, bigger numbers of games included in calculation of the MMR should lead to lower relative changes to it.
EDIT: For those versed in complexity science, his highroll rank of 350 is an attractor, and it’s in conflict with his current MMR, which is also an attractor, but this one has the benefit of gravity because he’s already IN it, in a sense. So it takes a large external force to get him out of that one, into the 350 attractor and stay there for long enough until his MMR is fixed to the new attractor.
For some weird reasons hard to explain with common sense language (or rather, I don’t know how), if you only once approached and “sensed” the 350 attractor, you might get repelled by the difference in potential and energy it takes to operate on that level, and the repellen effect usually makes you adapt to the current MMR level of play as a defensive mechanism, so it takes additional mental power to even attempt it.
For me, when I broke off my 1k attractor and got inside the top 200 one, external force to help with push was the desire to see myself on streams xD
Now that’s been done, it is no longer a sufficient motivation, aka, adequate external force.
TL;DR Anyway, the point is, it’s hard to break out of your MMR, one way or another. It always requires significant external force or targetted motivation.
Maybe but not exactly. I don’t care that much lately. If I don’t care I don’t play that well.
Not that I was super excited about the game when I did best with terran shaman,
but I liked shaman in general because it’s probably the best designed class.
Player: has 2000 mmr.
New player: has 0 mmr.
Player: tries to game the system to fight new players.
Player: drops to 1950 mmr.
Player: WhY aM i NoT fIgHtInG nOoBs!1@
I would be shocked if it moved that much.
It is more likely giving you a string of people with identical or close enough to be identical MMR, so yours does not honestly change.
The question that I have are about specific players with patterned names that all use the March of The Lich King card back.
Sometimes I run into a string of these players with the same card back. Are these the bots?
I can’t ever be too certain.
I think you’re all exaggerating a little in this thread. The K-factor of the Elo-type MMR algorithm in this game seems to be VERY overtuned meaning short win streaks give you obviously much harder opponents and the opposite is true (so if you have a big loss streak the probability to win raises extremely).
I think it’s more related to the fact I played a rogue deck which is frankly a lot harder to play well compared to most other decks.
PS Then again I might be missing a few key factors about how it’s played, because I get the combos that gives stats but I run out of cards.
No, we are not. There are psychological biases which make it appear that way
I’m convinced I’ve seen you explain those to others, but I might be wrong. Anyway, after winning a bunch of games, it’s expected you start losing, so starting to lowroll might initially seem like you’re queued up against better/harder opponents than before, while in fact it’s the difference in your mulligan this game vs your mulligan last game(s) - your opponent’s mulligan this game vs your opponent’s mulligan last game
The difference can make it seem like your opponent is tougher because your mulligan wasn’t THAT much worse than the ones from previous games, and your opponent’s mulligan wasn’t that much better than last games, so it’s harder to notice
But when you play enough games to check your winrate and compare it to the average one on hsguru for your current ranking, usually yours is higher, and that tells you it’s just a bias, after all.
Nothing really changes, MMR is pretty much a Hotel California.