Identity Theft is upsetting

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Thoughtsteal didn’t discover, it was random right.
2 random cards is way worse than choosing 2 out of 6.

I don’t think all busted cards should be nerfed necessarily, just calling out that this card is the control king.

That mage card was pretty broken too. It was played in no minion mage, so first, thats cheating…second mage didn’t have a lot of minions in their pool but the ones they did were super strong (to attempt to push mage into playing freaking minions, they didn’t. Instead they just got them with that spell and made spell mage stronger. oops) They would always get extra primes (which is comparable to that 9 mana spell that carries mages now) and I thought there was some other minion too, ragnoros summon bird? might be mistaken on the second one. (and yes the real prime would be shuffled into their deck, but back then the games went long enough they would draw it.)

Maybe, deep down, I’m really a priest trapped in a shaman class…
Can I have some more value please… best cards in shaman decks are neutrals.

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apparently the fact that you can choose the 2 cards destroys the opponent’s strategy.

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sure, that is, if you are completely clueless about the meta.

But even then, someone that clueless wouldn’t be getting too much out of IT.

I don’t even play much standard at all, in fact, I played a bit of standard today for the first time of the month and I still understand what my opponents are trying to do on turn 1-2. So the info I’d be getting from IT would be insignificant to me.

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Well, that’s the way I see it. This whole expansion is gonna’ be nothing but stealing cards and interruptions.
#stupid

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Im not lying u are. ima send links as well to show that your bais is so bad you willing to lie yourself and everyone else. Or you have some sort of mental condition going on.

This is the win rates at t1000 legend… last 30 days bp is little over 54% with buff priest being highest rn followed by rogue. Aggro and buff priest has a much higher win rate thab bp but much less games registered.

Really dont know what u got to gain out of calling me a lier and showing non t1000 win rates wich i been talking about all this time.

I dont feal insulted. I feel your insulting the comunity by spreading false information.

Also just because ppl refused to play counters cause all they do is net deck is there own fault for there loss.

https://i.imgur.com/ZTzQ6BZ.jpg

https://hsreplay.net/decks/#rankRange=TOP_1000_LEGEND&gameType=RANKED_WILD&timeRange=LAST_30_DAYS

Your clearly using data thay pushes your agenda when the wholr time and in all my threads i state only thing that matters is legend t1000 and maybe legend. Throwing diamond in the mix is twisting the argument and the data.

Your also twisting the agrument and calling me a lier on top of using and compairing diffrent data.

We are talking about a 30 day set of data. You are using 7 days and factoring in lower skill players as well.

Any person that is good with statitics or the scientific methord or stats know that a period of a month + is the more valid data unless signifcant chages have bern made and BP has had none didnt even have a single change since the new exp.

If something wins well for a weel bit over a period of a month looses the other weels shoes it was more that people were trying out decks that were bad while others were playing a more optimzed one.

Up here in high legend im mostly seeing warlocks and control priest not any bp at all.

Rogue control/reno priest warlocks and various rouge decks. I might see bp once every 20-25 games at best. It just gets trashed by any 1/2 decent player if it dont high roll.

So yeah only person looking bad at this point is you because your using diffrent data not as valid data to twist your agenda and try to make out as a lying person.

Get some help thanks.

Also tbh idgaf about bp cause the mini set gonna lower its win rate unless ppl refuse to run tech cards.

But looking at the history of wild ppl will refuse and it will stay the same.

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Dude I literally STATED I looked at the D-L stats and you never mentioned you look at only top 1000 Legend. You said ‘‘I looked at stats and other high Legend players agree with me’’ lol. And I was looking at the last 30 days.

Top 1000 Legend stats are not a good representation of the reality since the game sample size are so small, especially in wild.

And naturally, the great players typically enjoy playing decks that require skills and thoughts, this is known by the community. That’s what the VS. guys notice all the time when they analyze their data, good aggro decks are a lot less popular the higher you are on the ladder, not because the deck suddenly becomes bad but because good players don’t enjoy playing brainless decks.

And do I have to repeat the same thing for the 10th time ? The reason BP should be changed isn’t because it’s ‘‘impossible to beat’’ (I actually win most of my games against them) but because their entire game plan rely on playing a turn 2-6 essence and if you don’t have the perfect sequence of counters such as multiple removals into chaining loathebs, you typically lose the game and there’s nothing you can do. I lost many games because the opponent played an early essence and despite mulliganing for BP, I didn’t draw the perfect counter and lost the game instantly. This gameplay shouldn’t exist.

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I did multiple times. And i do agree that illiminate shadow essance is not fair and should be nerfed.

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Okay then, there’s no point in arguing any further, tier 1 or 2 doesn’t matter, we agree the deck is braindead and can cheat out free wins by playing an early essence and this is miserable gameplay.

It would be best for everyone if essence was changed.

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Tbh i dont want them to kill iliminate though. I think maybe just ban it from wild like switcheroo?

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I think it’s time for essence to summon a minion that costs 6 or less. Perhaps 8 or less if it’s too harsh.

I don’t wanna see this deck ever again

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Whatt i dont understand is this deck has been going on for years and illuminate has been around for 6month? Or close. No changes. Why are ppl complaining now. At one point with the same cards it was closer to 50% win rate in wild. At legend +

My guess is bunch of standard player came over to wild cause stardard is even a worse poop show imo rn.

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Illuminate isn’t the real issue, there’s 2 cards you forgot.

Blood of G’huun, which brought BP back to life and Neptulon, which allows the priest player to KILL you if you don’t immediately deal with it. There are games in which I cleared the entire board for 3 turns and the moment I ran out of removals and couldn’t kill Neptulon I just got OTK’d from 30 HP.

I wouldn’t care about the deck if they ran obsidian statue and the infiltrator, even Blood of G’huun I can accept but Neptulon is a bit much.

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Today’s cards are so good that they have destroyed most existing decks in wild.
Team 5 is talent free.

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Honestly thats not far off from the truth. Except some wild cards make them even more broken.

Here we are again complaining about a tier 3 tier 2 at best deck.

Bp has been around in it curent stay for over half a year and we are complaining about it now. This i dont understand.

Do you realize that its the 3rd maybe 4th best priest deck in wild lmao.

Legit shadow reno priest buff priest and shadow aggro priest are far better decks have higher winrates and BP is at the disadvantage vs those decks.

Dont go trying to pull some hs replay crap on me again i stooped to your level b4 and im not going to do it again.

Most wild players like myself dont even use deck tracker to begin with.

Warlock rogue(rogue has multiple decks that counter it) shaman both have higher win rates than BP. Rogue and shaman both counter those decks close to hard counter it.

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I don’t know if it counts, but I have complained about it since I first tried wild when DH was released :joy:

Then I stopped, realizing it was a signature deck of wild and the only annoyance wad the length of the game, due to their karthut + infiltrator, but no wincondition if not fatigue; after blood of ghuun was released though, I thought it was becoming problematic for real, leading to turn 5 concedes.

Graveyard pollution was no longer enough, transform effects were mandatory.
I can only imagine with time it got worse, since no new neutral transform effect was added to the game

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I used to complain about it too and many other priest decks. Then i got good.

I bet if you look back over half of my posts were complaints about priest.

Legit i got called a troll cause I complained so much and even banned on forums multiple times.

But yeah bp is bp. Plently of counters yall need to get good.

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Bro there’s something seriously WRONG with you.

You asked WHY people complain now and when given an answer you simply refuse to accept it. Why did you ask in the first place ?

HOW HARD is it to understand that a moron brainless deck that can get many free wins by playing an early shadow essence should NOT exist.

You keep saying it has counters and it can be beaten… literally ANY deck in the game has counters and can be beaten. Having counters doesn’t mean a deck should exist. And Any deck that ‘‘counters’’ big priest still losses if they highroll an essence and the ‘‘Counter’’ doesn’t have a great hand.

You’re a delusional bad player.

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So basicly anyone that does not agree with you is a bad player? Sounds like your the delusional one here.

Also tell that to my rank boss have fun. Iv bern legit rank 500-160 in wild any time iv tried for the last 2 years.

You not gonna win this one. Your wrong thats all thats thats to it. You have no concept of how things roll up here a t1000+.

Bad players cant hit the ranks i have.

Honestly i might run into a bp up rarely and i just trash them expect when there is a rare high roll and i dont draw the right card to does that mean a decks broken no.

I rarely have seen turn 2-3 shadow essance. Playing against them. If i dont have what i need to counter I tell them well played and concide and its on to the next game.

Its a card game I got out drawed.

Does bp take skil?l nothing compared to like likes of rogue (im not talking pirate rogue in fact that decks on par with BP on skill level) but lest be honest here. I dont know a deck in wild that does not have some sort of wild combo that does crazy things. This is why its called “wild”.

Legit pirate rogue skill level is the same as bp if you ask me. Even shaman is a solitare deck in terms of skill.

What im trying to say in a nut shell is you gonna have to nuke multiple higher performing decks b4 big priest is even looked at or touched. The deck is not even on blizzards radar for a reason.

It has clear counters and is 100% beatable.

Is the deck the easiest to play in the game? That debatable.

Just because a deck is easy does not mean it warnts a nerf.

When a deck is out performing all other decks (which BP is not) and its easy and simple to play it then warents a nerf.

Your gonna have 2 nerf 2 other priest decks b4 bp is touched along with warlock pirate rogue and even even shaman first.

Like i said in another thread i hope it gets nerfed so bad players like you self can sit back and think to themselves this; hey maybe he was right about bp its nerfed now and im still not ranking up.

Im so tired of talking about this stupid deck.

Also in final there are a lot of cards in the mini set that out right hard counter BP.

Its gonna be nothing more than a meme deck soon.

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Brian Kibler complains a lot actually, lol. Not sure if people here would count him as good, but he’s won several MtG tournaments at the highest level in his time, so yea.

There’s several videos where he just rants about what’s wrong with Hearthstone, recently he complained about the fact that gnolls are in every thief deck (no longer relevant because they orbit nerfed rogue once again.)

Complaining or not has nothing to do with your skill, but everything to do with how much passion you have for the thing you are doing , how predisposed your personality is to complaining, and how exasperated/frustrated you currently feel.

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There’s a few things you don’t understand

Players who typically spam BP are bad at the game, I’ve never seen a good player grinding high ranks with BP, the true top players do not like playing decks that are as brainless as BP. So naturally, the higher you climb, the more counters BP queues into because those guys love playing OTK/Combo or super highlander control decks.

And the reason why BP should be changed isn’t because it’s impossible to beat as I said 10 times already, it’s because more often than not, if the BP plays an early essence and the opponent doesn’t have an immediate answer, the game is LITERALLY over by turn 3-5, which is absolutely garbage design no matter how you look at it. You shouldn’t auto-lose a game because the opponent managed to play one SINGLE card that you couldn’t immediately deal with. How good would BP’s winrate be if they managed to always cheat out essence ? You’re looking at the overall winrate without considering the fact that if they miss the essence they just auto-lose the game, which will decrease it’s true winrate upon playing essence.

It’s hilarious how you’re assuming I get farmed by the deck when I win most of my games against them, however, I don’t care about my wins, I care about the times I lose to a monkey because he just got the essence early and got his FREE undeserved win.

And don’t ever call me a bad player, you are nowhere near my level. NOT even close. You’re acting like I’ve never been in the top 200-300 wild, which I have, and even got 11 stars multiple times in standard when I played the mode more seriously.

The fact that you whine about how there’s no room for skills in standard when all the top players are STILL at the top of the ladder, as usual, shows how little understanding of the game you have.