How is streamer's using card count software acceptable?

It’s hard to argue with some rude people on the forum here. I agree with you.

Plus, most players are on mobile platform nowadays. With this fact in mind, Blizzard allows desktop players to have an unfair advantage over mobile player by mixing them together.

Moreover, using a 3rd party software to help selected few to enhance performance in a competitive game, a form of sports competition, is really against sportsmanship.

So using better cars in a race is against sportsmanship? Running with higher quality shoes is against sportsmanship? Yeah.

Apples and oranges. :confused: That analogy would be valid if I were trying to say all decks should be equal.

This has been covered… that has nothing to do with blizzard and everything to do with cell phone OS makers… blame them.

You are literally saying all processors should be equal. It is your analogy.

People bring a knife to a gun fight and blame everyone else because it doesn’t go well.

That is not how reality functions.

My animations are faster on my desk top as well - is that an unfair advantage? Hey, that guy has a faster gpu - throttle his stuff so it’s fair!! :roll_eyes:

Stop playing on a mobile if you feel disadvantaged. I have both, and when I care I don’t play mobile because it sucks.

Trackers are allowed by blizzard. There is nothing unfair about using allowed resources as intended.

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It’s NOT unfair because everyone who is serious about laddering uses a deck tracker.

This topic is idiotic and has been made literally hundreds of times before on this forum. Blizzard has no issue with deck trackers. If YOU don’t like them, don’t use them.

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Point me to where I am blaming Blizzard.

My analogy was to say that a deck tracker frees someone from having to use part of their focus to count cards, allowing for them to focus more on the game.

Nothing will ever be perfectly fair. We ought to try and aim for the highest level of fairness we can achieve practically, however, internally in Hearthstone. This is to say that while we cannot control for better PCs, of course, or better internet connections, we should try and control for third-party programs that allow for an overlay that counts cards, in this instance.

Why? They would have to provide replays, meta-stats etc. if they decided to ban the use of deck trackers as a minimum. Why do that when 3rd party sites are doing it for free?!?

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As I implied, I’m a practical man and so am not against the use of a deck tracker. It is free, as you say, and so easily available that everyone uses it. It was the first thing suggested to me when I began playing, really. I am speaking more philosophically about it. I myself use it on my PC. It is certainly an advantage over mobile players, however.

What should be done is Blizzard should implement a deck tracker into Hearthstone themselves. Note I am not blaming Blizzard for anything here, but rather suggesting it be done.

Did the thought ever occur to you that this speeds up play and is good for everyone involved? Perhaps Blizzard actually likes this?

No.

They are good for the game. They are an invaluable resource for the serious and casual player alike.

They have specifically said they have no intention of doing this. At all.

I believe it was reiterated quite recently, but I would need to look it up.

You don’t have to be seriously laddering to demand a bot-free environment, which is true across all Blizzard games, such as Starcraft and Overwatch. You bot you got banned.

Here, the tracker software is on the verge of a bot. Ian not arguing that it’s a cheat but it’s an unfair advantage.

If only a few players cannot use it for his or her own reasons, it’s fine with me. But it’s All the mobile players. That must have achieved the level of unfairness.

I saw somebody comparing it to playing better video card on pc or driving better car to a car race. That’s really bad comparisons. Video cards or internet speed is not a factor in a card game really. The probability calculation and card memory is.

Better car in a car race is an unfair advantage. Those who compete in such race should all have access to better car. Here, playing on desktop is not an option for most people. Read up those stats: most people play on mobile now.

I for one only play on mobile and I am semi-serious about laddering. Doesn’t mean I can’t complaint about an unfair advantage when I see it.

Bull. Slow internet speed/lag is FAR more detrimental to performance than probability calcs are. I am in Aus and quite often run out of time while the ropes still burning on my end. Its cost me quite a few games.

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I suppose why do it themselves when it’s already been done by others. Unfortunate, though, I feel.

I agree. I like it too. I have gotten side tracked here, and my most basic point is this, while some folks would like to pretend a deck tracker is not advantageous versus a player without it, it simply is.

This is not a huge problem in Hearthstone, as everyone uses deck tracker, I know this. But let us not act as though it is not advantageous to use one against, for example, a mobile player, even if the advantage is slight, it is there. That’s the only point I really want to drive home.

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My apologies if I confused you with someone else. I agree that it’s an advantage.

I disagree that it’s unfair. It’s definitely not unkind, inconsiderate, or against the rules. That leaves against the principles of equality and justice.

Equality: It’s not opposed to the state of being equal in terms of status, rights, or opportunities.

If it is, and it shouldn’t be allowed, then PCs also shouldn’t be allowed. Nor should mice because they’d be unfair to nohandsgamer. Or eyes, since the blind can’t use them to play. Nor should phones, as not everyone has one.

You’re free to disagree. You’re free to decide at what point “equality” stops and “reasonable” begins.

Justice: the first definition references fairness so we have to ignore that circular dependency. The second involves the law (I. e. rules). We’ve established its not against that. The others are specific to people or personifications and cannot apply.

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This would slow mobile devices even more,exascerbating the advantage PC users have due to processing power. It would also add to the UI, which hurts small screens and doesn’t affect large ones. Another win for PCs.

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I disagree with your observation that most people use tracker in Hearthstone.
In fact , most of us play on mobile devices that cannot have access to a tracker.

PC gaming is for a small core fans, mobile is the meta and future for young players.

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Oh, I see. I live in a bubble and so was unaware. Thanks. :slight_smile:

Mobile players will always be disadvantaged due to the platform they choose to play on.

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PC will always be better than mobile in performance and experience. There’s a big difference between the screen size, RAM and processing power.

If you’re not hitting diamond or gold or even Silver it’s not a tracker holding you back, it’s either your deck or yourself if you’re stuck with a top tier meta deck in bronze.

do you own a computer? you can spend less on some chromebook or whatever they’re called than for a decent cellphone. and it’ll be better for hearthstone than the phone is. i play both. use deck trackers not at all. i turn it off and only use hsreplay at all cuz it lets me sort my collection in a less annoying way than HS itself does. if you can’t swing $200 for the ability to play more competitively and expect anyone to care, then lol. my computer is like $400 that can play wow and other games at a barely passable rate. but i can play them. my phone is like a $1200 phone i pay monthly for that i couldn’t afford to buy outright. my friend from wow bought me a really expensive gaming computer but it stopped working after a month and because of where i live i cannot get it fixed, currently. if you have any current tier android or iphone but not a computer that’s a choice you’re making. elitism about mobile gaming is laughable. like half the “decent” not totally trash mobile games are console or pc game ports to android and iphone. and wouldn’t exist at all without being made for console and pc gamers first.

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