Hearthstone Cards Are NOT Special

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better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.

By special, I do mean better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.

No way… :open_mouth: Scr0tieMcB is awesome. :blush:

Thank you.

Oh, nice idea.

A little repetitive, but not bad.

Eh, a little boring.

Eh, this one is too similar to another one.

Eh, now it just feels…

Lost Tallstrider wasn’t very unique, was it?

Eh.

So…you think Lost Tallstrider and Am’gam Rager are good, and more particularly, special?

Always was. Always…should be (something)?

Eh, a little to power-creepy for me.

If you were being ironic, I will still leave my comments to let you know how I felt to be completely honest, but have you know that I feel distasteful towards my optimism towards you now.

Likewise towards you from what I said to Scr0tie, but for the like I gave your comment instead.

Can I have a like? :anguished: If I have to explain, I feel anguished from the distinction that you gave Scr0tie a like for being somewhat a liar with irony (sarcasm*) instead of me a like for uniqueness and starting this thread that you got a smile from.

I think power ragers could work, but excessive powercreep doesn’t seem the right way to go.

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Just to be clear, the OG Hearthstone cards are not special. At all. What is going on here is a phenomenon called nostalgia goggles. When we are younger, we are stupider. So the you that was appraising classic Hearthstone cards is significantly dumber than the you that exists today. You were fooled into thinking is that bad cards are good, and you remember them fondly because the memories were crafted by someone with little or no ability to evaluate the power level of cards. Thankfully, we can tell that your evaluation skill has increased since then because you look at modern releases and do not consider them special.

Now if you’d like, we could make new Hearthstone cards special for you again. All we need you to do is consent to a lobotomy. To some, ignorance is bliss.

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You are wrong.

You named 3 cards that are truly non special and branded them as ‘Classic Hearthstone’.

Classic Hearthstone included cards such as Ragnaros, Ysera, Nozdormu, Malygos, Alexstrasza etc.

I get it, it meant to come off as a funny comment but Classic cards are special. I would even consider the cards named above special even with today’s standards after so many cards released.

Of course his statement is weird. It’s not that new Hearthstone cards are not special, it’s that the game doesn’t feel special to OP the way it felt special in Classic. And the Undead comment I can’t pinpoint why it was made. Does he not like the Art of the cards that are Undead or are their effects the problem?

I think what ‘new Hearthstone cards are not special’ means is that the cards barely bring something new to the table. Classic cards brought something new because they were the first cards ever printed.

Nozdormu literally manipulated the rules of the game.
Ysera generated cards that technically weren’t even in the game.
Ragnaros brought in the idea that stats don’t always matter, but an effect can make a card and so on.

Today only thing they are doing is bring in new keywords while recycling older effects of older cards. Titans have nothing new about them except their 3 ability usage, which in my eyes, is not special.

Imp Portals we’ve seen. Board Clears we’ve seen. Discovering cards we’ve seen etc.

I like what OP is saying and agree with it in the way I interpret it. He should have just been less vague on his opening statement, so that people didn’t just take it as a complaint thread and start trolling.

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Just because I’m trying to be funny doesn’t mean that I don’t have a thought out and serious perspective on the matter.

There’s nothing wrong or unnatural about the moment of greatest hype for a game being at the very start of the experience. In general games are like puzzles, in that the fun is in solving them and once they’re demystified there isn’t much fun to be had anymore. It’s normal and natural for a game to only feel special for a limited time, dependent mostly upon how long it takes you to deconstruct it.

If I have anything to recant, it’s that I mocked “ignorance is bliss” in my previous post a little too hard. A lack of familiarity is unironically key to game enjoyment.

What is unnatural is the “forever game” model that is being pushed today by some game developers who update the same game with new content over the course of years.

The way I see it, what the actual root of OP’s complaint is that Hearthstone is a forever game. It’s a corporate greed strategy that plays directly into the aforementioned nostalgia and deliberately fostered addiction to keep a dead game alive via necromancy.

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That’s fine making a ‘silly’ comment here and there, but what i’m seeing is you guys bunching up on this thread and trolling and borderline being off-topic for 20 comments in a row.

No real feedback was given to OP (mostly because his statement is vague), but if this isn’t trolling I don’t know what is.

Especially from people with such a high amount of posts such as you guys. It’s not weird when people complain that the ‘10000 posts blizzard shills are replying again’. Setting up a bad example.

I’m all for a funny comment but it should not continue for 20 comments, because it makes it hard for bystanders to join in the conversation as well when it has gone off-topic.

I agree.

But it seems that very few people actually consider Hearthstone special at all today. I would argue MTG is still considered special today. Maybe not as special as it was at its start but special nonetheless.

Hearthstone is not considered special at all by the community anymore. Nobody likes the new cards except streamers that have to say they like it to keep their jobs.

If MTG Arena had a better, smoother client and interface such as Hearthstone does it would be the most popular card game. And I don’t see as many people get frustrated over MTG Arena as I do in Hearthstone, today.

Do you not like this?

It makes sense to me considering that games should become better and better as time goes on. At one point this ‘forever game’ should be made through progress.

Are you saying they shouldn’t strive for it?

Well, you would want your favorite game to be a ‘forever game’ though wouldn’t you?

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Absolutely not. Because I have no need for a single favorite game. I want several different games.

The forever game is not progress. It is the illusion of progress. Not unlike the sequel addiction that we currently see in the film industry.

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One team working on polishing one game doesn’t stop other ones from making different ones.

I would just prefer a more competitive market for Card Games to force the Hearthstone team to work harder to keep up. Right now they are at this relaxed spot where there are no real competitors.

You go play something like Artifact Foundry, Shadowverse etc. and the difference is laughable.

You can’t say that when you haven’t seen a ‘forever game’.

It’s not always we are done with this let’s move to the next. If you polish the last one maybe it will be better than the next one.

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No, YOU are the one who has never seen the thing that they’re talking about. I am pointing to reality.

This is some “real communism has never been tried” levels of cope.

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Reality as in?

Give me an example if you are gonna claim YOU have seen it and I haven’t.

Also it’s not cope. You claimed this ‘forever game’ shouldn’t be what to strive for. I disagreed because there is no ‘forever game’ right now so you are making a claim with no basis. The cope here is coming from you not me, because you made a claim while I just disagreed on the facts that you have.

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Tbh, “special” used to be things like Harvest Golem. A 4/4 total stats requiring 2 attacks to kill for only 3 mana? Wow!

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I do not understand this comment at all. From what I could make of it, it sounds like you are saying I was stupid, but now I’m smart or smarter by seeing that I was stupid back then and am stupid now (maybe to even play this game or want to play it?), and then you say something about my brain getting altered with removing a significant piece of it to live life like a vegetable to be happy with Hearthstone, just for a game.

I can answer that for you. It’s the subconscious psychology put into the game to, in a way/shape/form to some capacity “infect” the mindset(s) of the player(s).

Nozdormu wasn’t really a good card in my opinion.

Ragnaros didn’t do this alone. It had help from Ancient Watcher and Deathwing.

Yes, this is kinda true, but Titans are special in a new way, just not in a simple way like the original form of this game had before Curse of Naxxramus.

Yes, this is also true. It may have even started with Jaraxxus summoning Infernals.

whoa

This is actually a pretty accurate evaluation, except that I don’t acknowledge a game lasting forever, but many years, maybe even hundreds, not forever, and that the Hearthstone Developers never intended to make quality content for Hearthstone as a game lasting even 8 years as I feel it now with what they have been putting out for at least 4 years, AND they should re-evaluate what they’re going to do with their game if they want it to live (instead of necromancy) or passing it off to Microsoft (I heard this is something they can do), reevaluate via COMPREHENSIVE BALANCE CHANGES that allow for future room for their game to grow instead of just turn into a blatant mess of overcrowding ideas into it. Thank you for this.

yeah :slight_smile:

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It wasn’t that spicy. I started writing some clarification for my previous post, then immediately after (edit: actually just before) I posted it ascend0 posted and it was almost like I had replied to a post from the future (edit: very recent past). So I just copy-pasted it into a reply, added an extra sentence or two, and deleted the original. I basically just wanted ascend0 to get the notification :-/

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Thank you for the thanks.

But ultimately I disagree.

Hearthstone must die so that Hearthstone 2 (either literally or a spiritual successor) may live.

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You’re welcome.
I don’t know what to say about your disagreement and reason…

I guess I just like all the nitty-gritty re-inventions of old into new and would be more than willing to guide the Hearthstone Developers with everything they need to do the nitty-gritty re-invention of Hearthstone, within reason.

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I swear I had someone in my friends list a few years ago called NeonBlue that would play arena once he was done with the Legend climb of the month.

Is that you ?

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Sorry but i was literally confused by the opening statement. I get what he is saying now and yeah we probably should have some different cards with crazy effects (oh wait we get at least one in every set). Whether you like those cards or not is the deciding factor.

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Maybe. I think I have did that before. How are you? :slight_smile:

(I wound up having so many friends on Hearthstone when I played a lot of Battlegrounds with Twitch Hearthstone players that I removed every friend that was offline for 2 weeks or more. Now I removed all those BG friends and have only a few that are more social.)

It’s not the “crazy” effects; it’s the originality that makes them special. That is why I liked that Scr0tie said Chillwind Yeti because it was so original.
(Edit: Chillwind Yeti, the card, was so original, not the fact that people say Chillwind Yeti.)

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Sir, we were really on to something here.

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I guess Hearthstone is officially in the phase where the coolest it gets is by making references to how cool it used to be.

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Ak’Akir was an insane Sen’Jin Shieldmaster. The original special keyword gangster.

Dr boom was the most broken card ever printed. No other card has ever outdone the power of exploding mechs in its particular era.